Tito had heart and courage for sure, but he had absolutely no idea how to go about dealing with Bernard's style. He was reduced to plodding forward and looking for the one big punch while getting eaten alive on the inside and from range. He was totally out of his class. This wasn't a bigger guy imposing his will on a smaller guy, this was a guy applying his superior craft on another guy and making him look stupid.

And I never said Trinidad was a natural MW. And if I did say that, I didn't say it was because he beat Joppy.

What I said was that the notion that Trinidad didn't carry power up to middleweight was stupid because he got in there with a LEGIT, MASSIVE, DURABLE middleweight and destroyed him with his power. We're not talking about getting in there with a journeyman middleweight: Joppy was top 5 at the time. World class. And Tito destroyed him.

Your Roy Jones analogy is totally irrelevant. Jones, despite being able to hit Ruiz at will, couldn't hurt Ruiz at all, which was further proof that he didn't belong at HW.

I believe Tito was a natural 154lber and that was a good weight for him, but we're only talking about going up one division. Does Hagler not deserve credit for beating Hearns and Duran, who were also coming up from WW and LMW?