Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
That is BS and you know it. In you over eagerness to justify and defend anybody using a gun you are making huge assumptions in order to justify a Gun owner shooting somebody dead. If you have to use a gun to defend yourself against somebody that was not committing a crime you can hardly then claim self defence as an argument. Nobody witnessed the start of the altercation so why assume that a guy who was intent on following somebody was innocent of any act of aggression? Where is the self defence argument for Martin ? Is he not allowed to stand his ground or is that right only extended to the armed? You are asking everybody to suspend their disbelief and believe that Zimmerman the vigilante would suddenly become the reasonable one and despite ignoring suggestions not to take the law into his own hands would suddenly become reasonable and rational and be the one "aiming to calm things down". If he was not interested in a confrontation he should not have confronted somebody. If all it takes is a punch in the US to justify someone upping the stakes and pulling out a gun then what the hell happened to the all the men? If someone punches somebody once and that punch kills the other person then that is obviously a case of unintentional manslaughter, a crime which in neither the UK or US carries a barbaric punishment of having your hands cut off.
I'm not making assumptions I'm basing my view on what went down according to the people involved & the police report. The jury found George Zimmerman NOT GUILTY not because they just wanted to mix things up but because he wasn't guilty.

Murder - The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.

Manslaughter - The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection

By those definitions you can't convict. I understand if you EMOTIONALLY wanted Zimmerman punished but Court isn't about emotions it's about the truth and about justice. There's no justice in locking up or killing Zimmerman because he got clocked in the face by some kid and had his head bashed on some concrete pavers.

You're emotional, I'm being rational. I don't LIKE what Zimmerman did but by the letter of the law he's in the clear. Maybe you can make it a law in England where you can't defend yourself ever but sorry that doesn't work over here man.