Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
Greatness is decided by who you fight. Chavez does nothing for GGG but make him money. Froch is half retired. Don't get it confused GGG has never beat anyone as good as prime Kessler, prime Froch or prime Dawson. And he doesn't have anyone in his division that is as good in his division(I put in the qualifier because Cotto is as good but not as good at Middleweight). So GGG will always need Ward if he wants to prove greatness. If he wants to be famous and make money he can keep KOing inferior fighters. But to be great he has to fight a great.
It's quite obvious that you don't rate Murray but that in itself is laughable. Murray gave Sturm (himslef a dominant champion) all that he could handle and matched if not edged out Martinez, himself the lineal and dominant Champion, and thereby proved his credentials. Neither he or Golovkin are in the same weight class as Kessler, Froch or Dawson but they are both certainly at, or above that ability level. They never had a super six tournament to prove themselves but Murray did better against Martinez than Kessler managed against Calzaghe and Martinez refused to fight Golovkin. Dawson? Come on man. Myself , Dia Bando and a host of others here, also like you, pointed out GGG's greatness years ago, most boxing fans could see his potential.

You don't often get divisions stacked with more than two or three world class operators and the middleweights are no different. If Cotto et al refuse to fight Golovkin and he does go up he should fight that Armenian bum Abraham.