gay marriage in the US

[Beanz]

“Once a society moves in that direction, the vitality goes out of that society.”

President Nixon on homosexuality.

Nixon on gays in history aka Ancient Greeks and Romans:

“You ever see what happened, you know what happened to the Greeks? Homosexuality destroyed them. Aristotle was a homo, we all know that. So was Socrates… Do you know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags.”



Gay marriage instituted by President Obama is the downgrading of a moral society.
The powers to the left- high jacked Martin Luther King Jr's civil rights movement & has used this current POTUS to push their agenda to turn us into an Androgynous nation that proudly boasts same sex marriage.

This is not what the founder of the civil rights movement pushed: MLK Jr. fought to bring about a moral change in an America that produced and bore racism, bigotry, bias & prejudice. He didn't fight for a gay to get married, rather he fought that one wouldn't judge them by their sexuality, or by the skin color- rather if one must judge: then judge by the context of their character.

Now that gays infiltrated the movement of civility & turned it into a pro-gay agenda- America has placed herself in the same position that President Nixon pointed out in the ancient worlds. -

Where boys & men were apart of erasths and eromenos : Adolescent boys in a love relationship with an adult man. A place & time when it was a shame & insult if a young boy did not have an erasths.

Back then; such societies also practiced abortion- They called it child sacrifice- especially if a woman became pregnant & the child was not wanted by that man- they sacrificed it. Same today in America. If a woman has a baby, but feels it would interfere with her career- then she (sacrifices) the child for her, uh; Career
The Bible not only speaks on homosexuality it also addressed an unborn child - where it said (and you knit me from my mothers womb, with my unformed body)
Sounds like a fetus to me.

So this is cyclical behavior in societies on their way down...down.
From Crete, to Athens to Appolon way back to Macedonia- Homosexuality coincided with culture and education. Aborting/sacrificing babies occurred in religious rituals.

America is simply the next great nation in line to succumb to such ideas and practices: Hurts me to say President Obama is complicit with the demoralization of our society.

Gay marriage is not right. No life can come from two of the same sex. And now that we have complied- our television, cable has inundated the airwaves with ideas planted and rooted into the mind of our next generation: that homosexuality is the result of normal behavior & aborting babies is common practice.

If you are going to take President Nixon as some kind of Moral compass and his words as axioms of truth then you really are scrabbling in the dirt. Your whole argument is a ludicrous bit of self back patting dressed up as intelligent debate. I like you, and think that you have brought some great levity to debates here at the Saddo table, but this post is mostly hokum and popcorn.

"President Obama is complicit with the demoralization of our society" . As though it were somehow a paragon of virtue before ? The bloke is a fall guy like all the presidents before him and whilst I agree with your assertion that the hijacking of the civil rights agenda by those seeking to equate gay rights with those of black people is a fuzzy mess, that is not the same as forcing America to become complicit in immorality.

To over simplify abortion and insert a connection with child sacrifice, which clearly does not exist, merely cheapens your argument. If you want to pick and choose from the Bible to justify your position then you must necessarily take the whole and apply that to your life, where you will soon find it impossible to live by principles and precepts of power hungry and often ignorant men, who got to invent history on their own loony terms.


"America is simply the next great nation in line to succumb to such ideas and practices"

Really ? I can't say I am a huge fan of your culture and the nefarious way it has been imported into homes around the world via television etc, and thereby led to a dumbing down of youth and indigenous cultures, but even I would have to admit that child sacrifice is not really jumping out as the next logical step in that exposition of ideas.

You yourself being more informed and intelligent than Nixon are aware of the nature of the sexual practices of Greek culture, and so have already admitted that this is not same as homosexual relationships between consenting adults today. How you can then suggest that one follows another is curiously an extension of the same Greek thinking yourself. The slavish adherence to logical sequences in which one thing always necessarily begets the other, is how both of us in the west were taught to reason. It doesn't work backwards though and even forwards is often flawed and there lies the flaw in democracy. We can logically weigh up the options and still vote for the wrong person. Not just because of the paucity of decent candidates, but because the system supports a reinforcement of the system itself, even in a Republic like yours.

That said the right for somebody to marry is now being tied up in your confused logic with the law to procreate, and believe me as a Jew who has refused to do this, I know how strong that Biblical admonition and pressure still reverberates through Christian, and even more through Hebrew culture. It's not really very useful now though is it ? We don't need to keep the human race going and my people have plenty of offspring, books, the internet, films etc to make sure that even a nomadic tribe can remember it' s ancestors and those things that make it unique.

So if Gay people want to get married then I am quite OK with that and have no need to link it with some conspiratorial descent into moral chaos like millennium cults and religions the world over would like you to believe.

I also don't believe in a gay gene or a race of people.