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Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
Let's forget about Al Gore for the sake of this argument.
I'm not defending him... and I along with the rest of the universe don't think much about him.

Let's talk about the climate. You're absolutely right. Climate ISN'T static. No one is claiming that it should be. However, numbers such as average temperatures are not some obscure measurement, conjured up by some mad scientist working in the basement of his home. It's a pretty straightforward measurement. And as with ALL measurements, it depends greatly on how it's taken, as well as a myriad of other factors. If the average Earth temperature has been rising over the last several years.... I don't think it's cause for us to run screaming into the streets that the world is coming to an end. I think it's just a situation that merits further analysis and observation. But that's just my nature. I tend to be more paused and analytical than others. I'm not advocating mass panic. But on the other hand.... this annoying dismissal of scientific studies like they're some voodoo conspiracy against mankind is just that...... ANNOYING. Thereby my argument about extremes again. Why the insistence that all these studies and numbers are just crap? Do you rail against all other sciences in the same way? I certainly hope not.
Well sorry, Al Gore is one of the many people who has taken the flag of Anthropogenic Climate Change and used it to line his pockets, but that's not all he along with others are calling for the SILENCING of opposition (examples: Al Gore at SXSW: We Need to 'Punish Climate-Change Deniers' and 'Put a Price on Carbon' - EcoWatch, Landmark California bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics - Washington Times, AG Lynch: DOJ Has Discussed Whether to Pursue Civil Action Against Climate Change Deniers, Bill Nye open to criminal charges, jail time for climate-change dissenters - Washington Times ) I'm sorry, but to me that doesn't look like science, that looks like coercion.....but alright let's take Gore out of the mix.


I'm not against people studying the effects of human activity on the environment, quite the opposite. I'm an outdoorsman, I love being in nature, I love hunting, I love fishing. But there comes a point where I feel like people are being railroaded into this groupthink....Humans MUST be causing the climate to change....and that's not seen as an opinion, it's seen as scientific fact and when scientists and law makers are saying "We're going to punish non-believers" then my bullshit alarm goes off....Why? Why punish "non-believers"? It seems more of a fundamentalist religious approach than a scientific approach does it not? Plato did not call for people who believed the Sun rotated around the Earth to be punished, he was punished for thinking the Earth rotated around the Sun.

Slow and steady wins the race, people jumping to "Day After Tomorrow" type conclusions, Doomsday predictions.....it's laughable. People talking about huge hurricanes that are going to destroy us all...I live in Hurricane Alley, I've seen fuck all hurricanes for YEARS and in some summers we've NEEDED hurricanes or at the very least tropical depressions to help out our water situation during the summer and early fall. I've seen very few tornadoes in the past few years as well....I mean I don't mind NOT seeing or being impacted by deadly weather, but to be tormented with the Hellfire and Brimstone-like predictions of the Climate Change Alarmists, I'm tired of it, it's the boy who cried wolf......not every snowstorm is a sign that the world will end, not every drop of rain is a man made tragedy, too much, too much and for far too long and I'm sorry now that I've lived the majority of my adult life with these preachers of doom and destruction without ANYTHING happening that could be nailed down as "man made" I'm done with them as scientists.

Look at anything they suggest as options....electric cars for example! Electric cars make 0 sense!!!! "Well you don't use gas in an electric car"......no, you don't, you use COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS! But electric cars are supposed to decrease the carbon footprint?!?!?! Windmills produce minimal energy AND kill scores of birds....better for the environment? Solar Power uses hazardous materials to make the panels, the panels take up great amounts of land and for what amount of energy? If someone was TRULY concerned with the environment then Nuclear would be the cry! Nuclear power now! Most efficient and produces less waste than any other form of energy.....yet Nuclear | Greenpeace International ....so what is the REAL crux of their argument?

They want a return to an agrarian society with socialism as their economic system....that is what you get when you piece the puzzle together and with that I will tell you MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WILL DIE....ergo I'm not buying into it.


As with the other issues, it's the extremists that do the most damage and drive away people who would otherwise be more open to an opposing viewpoint (such as yourself). "Coercion", "non-believers"...... it's all unfortunate nonsense that fanatics indulge in. Punishing people for believing in "X" or "Y"?? Society's REALLY f*cked up. So basically I don't believe in this type of tactic any more than you do.

Let's talk about hurricanes. I live in a hurricane prone area myself, and haven't experienced one since Georges in 1998. But we can't go by how many hurricanes we've personally experienced, but rather look at the frequency of hurricanes period. Hurricane activity tends to be cyclic, but even with that, it's worth looking at any trends within that cyclic activity. You could have cyclic activity that still trends upwards, if looked at statistically. At some point I'll look it up and see for myself whether there is a discernible trend.

Now onto to your other point: energy.

I'm not a fan of electric cars myself. But what's wrong with solar panels? It's basically free energy, there for the taking. Otherwise wasted as it falls on unused land. Why not put some of that land to use with solar panels? The technology has evolved over the years, bringing down the cost..... and I'm sure they'll become more and more practical as time goes on. Wind generators..... meh..... I've got mixed feeling on those. Enormous structures with a significant failure history, and probably not enough bang for the buck. That technology can definitely stand being improved. You mentioned nuclear? Bring it on! You see..... I'm not anti-anything, unless there's a very good reason for it. I think everything should be on the table for discussion.

I'll beat the dead horse here. Objectivity. Not extremism for the sake of being difficult.