Well now you’re sounding like your old, calmer self. Good.

I’m glad you’re not trying to convince anyone and frankly, I’m not trying to convince you. My whole point has been that there is a better way to conduct an argument than saying… “I’m right and you’re wrong. My research is the only one that counts, and the rest of you are sheep for following what you’ve been taught.” It starts things off on the wrong foot. The fact of the matter is no… neither nor I have ever been to space, and cannot say firsthand we’ve seen the shape of the Earth in person.

As for your experiments, you’ll claim they are binding and representative of what holds true for the entire Earth, and others will say there are flaws in those assumptions. That other factors, such as physics of scale, must be considered. But that’s neither here nor there. Not wanting to start another argument. Just saying that everyone’s opinions are valid, even ours.

Arguments of yours I can sympathize with? The one about water staying on a spherical surface… I can see where that would give people pause. Saying gravity holds the oceans to the surface doesn’t seem to impress everybody. But the rest of it? I tried explaining how air pressure is a gradient and gradually goes down as you go into space, to the point where it becomes a vacuum, which in itself is a gradient. You know… partial vacuums vs. perfect vacuums.

The luminaries, as you call them, is another area where I just see too many holes. You yourself struggle to explain how two celestial bodies can just gyrate in circles above the center of the Earth without any explanation as to the forces that keep them in those circling patterns. But again, since you don’t believe in gravity, a lot of things just fall by the wayside (pardon the pun). If the force keeping those bodies from flying off in linear fashion comes from the Earth itself, then where exactly does if come from? It’s easier for most of us to imagine a sphere where gravity comes from the center of said sphere, than a mysterious force equally distributed across a flat plane. Your previous post did nothing to either explain this, or convince anyone of its veracity.

Try to keep in mind that most doubters you’ll encounter are not just some yo-yo’s who can’t think for themselves. Some of us have technical backgrounds, and are as much into experimentation and facts as you are. You don’t have a monopoly on gray matter, Alpha.

I think you’re the one who’s taking things personally, and I don’t blame you. Claiming 9/11 was an inside job is one thing. No one is going to ridicule you for that. They may disagree vehemently… but they won’t ridicule you because no one has any proof to the contrary. Claiming the Earth is flat is quite another ball…. er….. slab of wax altogether.