Is the earth flat?

[Alpha]

Let’s concentrate on the pressure issue for a minute. You do agree that air pressure decreases as you go up in altitude, correct? It is a gradient, is it not? So extrapolate whatever altitude you’ve been to even further. Does the air pressure not approach zero? We’re talking gauge pressure here, by the way. Now, part of your issue is that you don’t believe space is a vacuum. But….. you don’t believe in space anyway, right? So what does it matter? What matters is that you’ve got quantifiable, repeatable, indisputable evidence that air pressure decreases as you go up in altitude. Now….. explain THAT without using gravity as a factor, because you don’t believe in gravity either. What is the cause for there to be gradually decreasing air pressure as you go up in altitude? You see….. the mere topic of atmospheric air pressure flies in the face of your flat Earth theories.

“Are you claiming our atmosphere is now water (liquid)?” Are you now putting words in my mouth? That is a definite no-no in an intelligent, mature argument. Show me where I said our atmosphere was water, and I’ll apologize and become a Flat Earther myself. What I DO claim however, is that both air and water are fluids. Are you going to dispute that? I’m not an astronomer, but I do have certain knowledge that will enable me to detect when you’re just ad libbing nonsense without any scientific proof to back it up.

Here’s a direct quote from you: “I can prove that gases need a container, and that if a higher pressure is next to a lower, then the higher pressure will move into the lower one.” Ok so how does that work with the air pressure gradient present in the atmosphere? No black magic, no voodoo….. a straight, coherent answer please. We’ve already established there’s a gradient. So technically you’ve got “higher pressure next to lower pressure” all throughout the continuum of the atmosphere. So the 64 thousand dollar question is…. wait for it…. why on Earth is there a gradient at all? Why isn’t the air pressure the same all throughout the atmosphere? Isn’t that what air does when you open a higher pressure container to a lower pressure one? If you’re gonna present an argument Alpha, it’s got to be ironclad.

On the transpolar trip, hey I’m game. Not much of a flier… but why miss the opportunity of a lifetime to fly over both poles (oops… I’m sorry… I know you don’t like those terms).

Yes I agree that the atmosphere pressure decreases as you rise in altitude, yes it's a gradient. There is a greater density of gases near the surface, and the atmosphere gradient is based on temperature. We have denser gases near the surface, making the temperature higher, higher energies will move to lower energies.

Now I don't believe in space. But it is relevant, because it's a claim of the globe model. If you have pressure, even at zero, as you claim, it will still be a higher energy than the negative of a vacuum. The claim of the globe is that we have our atmosphere (pressurized) beside a vacuum (negative in pressure). You are making claims that this vacuum is also a gradient, so you will need to provide a practical demonstration of this, or it's just a belief.

I did not put words in your mouth, I asked a question. You were asking about how pressure is created in water, but we were discussing our pressurized atmosphere. Yes water and air can both be defined as fluids, but they hold very different principles and properties. If we are talking about 1 thing, then we should stick to the substances, principles and properties of that thing, rather than trying to use another example of something that displays totally different principles properties.

I have explained that the gradient is based on temperature, and the higher energy is moving up into the lower energy. The pressure isn't the same all through the atmosphere continuum, because the energy is decreasing. But again, the pressure of our atmosphere will still hold a higher energy than the negative of a vacuum.

I'll agree to any terms for our trip, if you don't want to fly we can sail and trek, it will be much harder tho traveling by foot. I can get a legal document all drawn up if your serious. I can get an account set up where we can both deposit $10k, our initial deposits will be protected and only we will be able to withdraw our own deposit. We can get it set up as a joint authorization account, with these stipulations. Again you get all the authorizations, consents and approvals. Once that's all set we can raffle extra seats, I'm thinking between 4 to 6 of us. I will agree to cover all expenses for us to complete the journey from that point.

Again I am using real natural science to disprove the claims of the globe. All the globe has is beliefs and pseudoscience, nothing actually quantifiable, no practical demonstrations. All just assertions, assumptions.