Shooting at Trump rally: One spectator killed and two critically wounded

[TitoFan]

you say as long as the sources are reliable & credible you are happy to believe.

And I added that I'm perfectly capable of making that judgement for myself. Don't forget to include that part.

you may choose to reach a conclusion but that doesn't prove it to be real

Just like you might choose to not believe something but that doesn't prove that it's not real. The door swings both ways.

when you begin from the viewpoint of belief you open yourself up to believing something that is not true.

And when you begin from the viewpoint of disbelief you close your mind, and open yourself to not believing something that is actually true. There's that swinging door again.

what imagined or constructed ones holes from myself are you referring to titofan?

I didn't mention you in my argument, did I. Let's not fabricate other people's arguments. My exact statement was this:
"When you begin from the viewpoint of belief, most of us are open to (real) holes in the story that might cast some doubt on it.
REAL holes... not imagined or constructed ones."

That just means that those of us who don't begin from the viewpoint of disbelief are still open minded enough to recognize where there might be holes in a story. But they have to be REAL holes. Not imagined or constructed ones. Meaning that there are plenty of people out there who just for the sake of being contrary, will fabricate "holes" that don't really exist.

you say trust is a huge factor. you must have a very short memory or not know your history.

How did you jump from my saying that trust is a huge factor (true statement, by the way), to saying I have a short memory or not knowing my history? Did I say I trust people and news media regardless? No. I said I trust people and news media until they lose my trust. For us to have a civil argument, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'm pretty clear in what I say, but I'll make it clearer if you are having comprehension problems.

your government & media has llied to you countless times.

For you that means that everything that the government and media have ever said is a lie. You can live in that fantasy world with blinders on if you wish. The rest of us choose to use a word you have NO familiarization with: It's called DISCERNMENT.

you are the one that constantly uses lables, although you claim to dislike doing so.

Yes. I've labeled you a conspiracy theorist. You fit the description, so I use the label. Does it bother you? It's not an insult. It's an observation. Own it.
Everyone here has used labels. Yes... even you.

you choose to believe something & act like you know it's true. i choose to say i don't know because i wasn't there but i'll highlight inconsistencies in narratives when i see them

You saved your biggest crock of bullshit for last. "Act like I know it's true?" Give us all a break, will ya? And you just innocently "choose to say you don't know because you weren't there?" Another crock of bullshit.

You choose to start from disbelief and mistrust. On everything. The "inconsistencies in narratives" you see are usually not inconsistencies at all. But the glee with which you seek them out makes you a very biased individual when reading any news item.

Those of us who start from belief until proven otherwise don't try to drag you to our way of thinking. Most of us couldn't give less of a shit whether you believe something or not. Unfortunately the opposite isn't true. You seem to have a pathological need to drag people over to your cynical, conspiracy-theorist way of thinking.