Shooting at Trump rally: One spectator killed and two critically wounded

[TitoFan]

So no medical reports released no statement from hospital physicians or staff of any sort. No official campaign statement of any type regarding medical treatment and degree of injury...about the presidential candidate. Literally 1 post from Trump. Make us all say "hmmm " without really telling us to say hmmm. Now I'm not doubting he was injured, but this whole .223 bullet piercing his ear as he did some matrix spin seems like it would actually be um trumped up more with well, actual documentation, medical experts and visuals. Just...interesting. But he's got a bandage on. So there's that.

I normally laugh at conspiracy theorists, and here I am sounding just like one.

Truth is basically a lot of things seem odd about the whole thing. Tough to say it was staged, as there WAS one dead person and the ear wound seemed real enough. But damn... I've gotten a glimpse of how life is on the "other side." LOL...

Good point on the lack of medical reports or official statements. Usually they oversaturate us with every insignificant detail of something as important as an assassination attempt. This time it was like, "Ho hum... so on to the sports news..."

I will say that the incident represents the final straw that broke the camel's back of Biden's chances at being reelected.

Those went from a snowball's chance in hell to man walking on the surface of the sun.

Zip. Zero. Nada. Cero. Zilch.

[Kirkland Laing]

It's like Satan is writing the script right now.

[Beanz]

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[TitoFan]

[TIC]

So no medical reports released no statement from hospital physicians or staff of any sort. No official campaign statement of any type regarding medical treatment and degree of injury...about the presidential candidate. Literally 1 post from Trump. Make us all say "hmmm " without really telling us to say hmmm. Now I'm not doubting he was injured, but this whole .223 bullet piercing his ear as he did some matrix spin seems like it would actually be um trumped up more with well, actual documentation, medical experts and visuals. Just...interesting. But he's got a bandage on. So there's that.

I normally laugh at conspiracy theorists, and here I am sounding just like one.

Truth is basically a lot of things seem odd about the whole thing. Tough to say it was staged, as there WAS one dead person and the ear wound seemed real enough. But damn... I've gotten a glimpse of how life is on the "other side." LOL...

Good point on the lack of medical reports or official statements. Usually they oversaturate us with every insignificant detail of something as important as an assassination attempt. This time it was like, "Ho hum... so on to the sports news..."

I will say that the incident represents the final straw that broke the camel's back of Biden's chances at being reelected.

Those went from a snowball's chance in hell to man walking on the surface of the sun.

Zip. Zero. Nada. Cero. Zilch.

labelling someone a conspiracy theorist for asking questions is just a lazy way for someone to get out of thinking for themselves & just believing what has been presented to them. there is so much bullshit in this one

[Beanz]

So no medical reports released no statement from hospital physicians or staff of any sort. No official campaign statement of any type regarding medical treatment and degree of injury...about the presidential candidate. Literally 1 post from Trump. Make us all say "hmmm " without really telling us to say hmmm. Now I'm not doubting he was injured, but this whole .223 bullet piercing his ear as he did some matrix spin seems like it would actually be um trumped up more with well, actual documentation, medical experts and visuals. Just...interesting. But he's got a bandage on. So there's that.

I normally laugh at conspiracy theorists, and here I am sounding just like one.

Truth is basically a lot of things seem odd about the whole thing. Tough to say it was staged, as there WAS one dead person and the ear wound seemed real enough. But damn... I've gotten a glimpse of how life is on the "other side." LOL...

Good point on the lack of medical reports or official statements. Usually they oversaturate us with every insignificant detail of something as important as an assassination attempt. This time it was like, "Ho hum... so on to the sports news..."

I will say that the incident represents the final straw that broke the camel's back of Biden's chances at being reelected.

Those went from a snowball's chance in hell to man walking on the surface of the sun.

Zip. Zero. Nada. Cero. Zilch.

labelling someone a conspiracy theorist for asking questions is just a lazy way for someone to get out of thinking for themselves & just believing what has been presented to them. there is so much bullshit in this one

Often people like yourself are not actually asking the right questions. You are simply believing what has been presented to you by contrarian edge lords who assume other people are even less able to reason than themselves. That is why you parrot Alex Jones on Sandy Hook and other mass shootings pretending they were all staged with actors against all the overwhelming evidence.I mean if you don't even accept there is such a thing as an immune system you can hardly boast about having superior reasoning skills.

Spicoli is right politics has been a circus for years but Titofan is also right in pointing out there is something odd about the whole incident and maxipad thing.

[TIC]

So no medical reports released no statement from hospital physicians or staff of any sort. No official campaign statement of any type regarding medical treatment and degree of injury...about the presidential candidate. Literally 1 post from Trump. Make us all say "hmmm " without really telling us to say hmmm. Now I'm not doubting he was injured, but this whole .223 bullet piercing his ear as he did some matrix spin seems like it would actually be um trumped up more with well, actual documentation, medical experts and visuals. Just...interesting. But he's got a bandage on. So there's that.

I normally laugh at conspiracy theorists, and here I am sounding just like one.

Truth is basically a lot of things seem odd about the whole thing. Tough to say it was staged, as there WAS one dead person and the ear wound seemed real enough. But damn... I've gotten a glimpse of how life is on the "other side." LOL...

Good point on the lack of medical reports or official statements. Usually they oversaturate us with every insignificant detail of something as important as an assassination attempt. This time it was like, "Ho hum... so on to the sports news..."

I will say that the incident represents the final straw that broke the camel's back of Biden's chances at being reelected.

Those went from a snowball's chance in hell to man walking on the surface of the sun.

Zip. Zero. Nada. Cero. Zilch.

labelling someone a conspiracy theorist for asking questions is just a lazy way for someone to get out of thinking for themselves & just believing what has been presented to them. there is so much bullshit in this one

Often people like yourself are not actually asking the right questions. You are simply believing what has been presented to you by contrarian edge lords who assume other people are even less able to reason than themselves. That is why you parrot Alex Jones on Sandy Hook and other mass shootings pretending they were all staged with actors against all the overwhelming evidence.I mean if you don't even accept there is such a thing as an immune system you can hardly boast about having superior reasoning skills.

Spicoli is right politics has been a circus for years but Titofan is also right in pointing out there is something odd about the whole incident and maxipad thing.

what questions did i not ask correctly about what event? you won't provide anything specific as usual just your usual vague nonsense. who am i believing larry? i've never watched anything alex jones has said about sandy hook but there are many questions to be asked about many of these events. you are mis-representing me, i've never pretended they were all staged with actors. our bodies are either at ease or they are at dis ease. if at dis ease the body will use processes to help it. the immune system isn't a thing, it's just your interpretation of processes the body utilizes

[TitoFan]

There's a fundamental difference between some of us here.

I see a news item, such as Sandy Hook... and as long as the sources are reliable and credible (and I'm perfectly capable of making that judgment for myself)... I begin from the starting point of belief. If ANYTHING in the story seems fishy, I proceed to dig and analyze (as again I'm perfectly capable of doing) in order to reach a conclusion as to whether the story is real or not.

You (TIC), on the other hand, begin each news story from the viewpoint of disbelief and mistrust. You assume everything is false and staged (with some obscure purpose)... and it must be "proven" to you otherwise. The problem is that most of the time no amount of proof or evidence is good enough. Most of us can't be bothered to prove anything to those who choose to live in a world of constant disbelief.

When you begin from the viewpoint of disbelief, you've already made up your mind about the story's veracity. When you begin from the viewpoint of belief, most of us are open to (real) holes in the story that might cast some doubt on it.
REAL holes... not imagined or constructed ones.

It's all a matter of personal choice, really. I've lived a full and fruitful life going to school at all levels... learning things that are both verifiable and unverifiable. Such is the nature of life and learning. Trust is a huge factor here. I trust people and news sources until they lose my trust. Then it's difficult or damn near impossible to win if back. Others choose to mistrust everybody. It's a life choice, so to each his own.

What most of us object to is the insistence of the "unbelievers" to label everyone else with words like "sheep" or whatever. This can be EASILY turned around toward the unbelievers, who can be accused of the same thing.

[ykdadamaja]

There's a fundamental difference between some of us here.

I see a news item, such as Sandy Hook... and as long as the sources are reliable and credible (and I'm perfectly capable of making that judgment for myself)... I begin from the starting point of belief. If ANYTHING in the story seems fishy, I proceed to dig and analyze (as again I'm perfectly capable of doing) in order to reach a conclusion as to whether the story is real or not.

You (TIC), on the other hand, begin each news story from the viewpoint of disbelief and mistrust. You assume everything is false and staged (with some obscure purpose)... and it must be "proven" to you otherwise. The problem is that most of the time no amount of proof or evidence is good enough. Most of us can't be bothered to prove anything to those who choose to live in a world of constant disbelief.

When you begin from the viewpoint of disbelief, you've already made up your mind about the story's veracity. When you begin from the viewpoint of belief, most of us are open to (real) holes in the story that might cast some doubt on it.
REAL holes... not imagined or constructed ones.

It's all a matter of personal choice, really. I've lived a full and fruitful life going to school at all levels... learning things that are both verifiable and unverifiable. Such is the nature of life and learning. Trust is a huge factor here. I trust people and news sources until they lose my trust. Then it's difficult or damn near impossible to win if back. Others choose to mistrust everybody. It's a life choice, so to each his own.

What most of us object to is the insistence of the "unbelievers" to label everyone else with words like "sheep" or whatever. This can be EASILY turned around toward the unbelievers, who can be accused of the same thing.

You have to give the media the benefit of the doubt. No matter what and as you rightly said, start from there and when things don't add up then we start to call BS. But, and this may surprise you, but people in the media are not infallible.

Do you know how many times I get lied to in a month? How many people come to you with false narratives and you have to make a judgement call as to whether to run the story or not?

[TIC]

There's a fundamental difference between some of us here.

I see a news item, such as Sandy Hook... and as long as the sources are reliable and credible (and I'm perfectly capable of making that judgment for myself)... I begin from the starting point of belief. If ANYTHING in the story seems fishy, I proceed to dig and analyze (as again I'm perfectly capable of doing) in order to reach a conclusion as to whether the story is real or not.

You (TIC), on the other hand, begin each news story from the viewpoint of disbelief and mistrust. You assume everything is false and staged (with some obscure purpose)... and it must be "proven" to you otherwise. The problem is that most of the time no amount of proof or evidence is good enough. Most of us can't be bothered to prove anything to those who choose to live in a world of constant disbelief.

When you begin from the viewpoint of disbelief, you've already made up your mind about the story's veracity. When you begin from the viewpoint of belief, most of us are open to (real) holes in the story that might cast some doubt on it.
REAL holes... not imagined or constructed ones.

It's all a matter of personal choice, really. I've lived a full and fruitful life going to school at all levels... learning things that are both verifiable and unverifiable. Such is the nature of life and learning. Trust is a huge factor here. I trust people and news sources until they lose my trust. Then it's difficult or damn near impossible to win if back. Others choose to mistrust everybody. It's a life choice, so to each his own.

What most of us object to is the insistence of the "unbelievers" to label everyone else with words like "sheep" or whatever. This can be EASILY turned around toward the unbelievers, who can be accused of the same thing.

you say as long as the sources are reliable & credible you are happy to believe. as ykdadamaja has said the media is easily or willing manipulated. most main stream media has been caught lying. from my own experince in the military (some believe i was in the military some don't, larry called me a murderer, it doesn't matter, it's irrelevant), i have seen how stories are feed to the media that aren't true. you may choose to reach a conclusion but that doesn't prove it to be real

you are correct that i start from the viewpoint of mistrust. you are wrong that i assume everything is false & staged. things claimed to be real must be proven to be so. evidence roves ideas, proof proves facts. how many times have you heard of people being falsly convicted based on evidence? i don't live in a world of constant disbelief, i live in a world where claims must be proven to be true

again i don't begin from a viewpoint of didbelief, my viewpoint is claims must be proven to be true. when you begin from the viewpoint of belief you open yourself up to believing something that is not true. what imagined or constructed ones holes from myself are you referring to titofan?

you say trust is a huge factor. you must have a very short memory or not know your history. your government & media has llied to you countless times. there is no need to mistrust when claims are able to be proven true

you are the one that constantly uses lables, although you claim to dislike doing so. i just ask that claims be proven to be true. you choose to believe something & act like you know it's true. i choose to say i don't know because i wasn't there but i'll highlight inconsistencies in narratives when i see them

[TitoFan]

you say as long as the sources are reliable & credible you are happy to believe.

And I added that I'm perfectly capable of making that judgement for myself. Don't forget to include that part.

you may choose to reach a conclusion but that doesn't prove it to be real

Just like you might choose to not believe something but that doesn't prove that it's not real. The door swings both ways.

when you begin from the viewpoint of belief you open yourself up to believing something that is not true.

And when you begin from the viewpoint of disbelief you close your mind, and open yourself to not believing something that is actually true. There's that swinging door again.

what imagined or constructed ones holes from myself are you referring to titofan?

I didn't mention you in my argument, did I. Let's not fabricate other people's arguments. My exact statement was this:
"When you begin from the viewpoint of belief, most of us are open to (real) holes in the story that might cast some doubt on it.
REAL holes... not imagined or constructed ones."

That just means that those of us who don't begin from the viewpoint of disbelief are still open minded enough to recognize where there might be holes in a story. But they have to be REAL holes. Not imagined or constructed ones. Meaning that there are plenty of people out there who just for the sake of being contrary, will fabricate "holes" that don't really exist.

you say trust is a huge factor. you must have a very short memory or not know your history.

How did you jump from my saying that trust is a huge factor (true statement, by the way), to saying I have a short memory or not knowing my history? Did I say I trust people and news media regardless? No. I said I trust people and news media until they lose my trust. For us to have a civil argument, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'm pretty clear in what I say, but I'll make it clearer if you are having comprehension problems.

your government & media has llied to you countless times.

For you that means that everything that the government and media have ever said is a lie. You can live in that fantasy world with blinders on if you wish. The rest of us choose to use a word you have NO familiarization with: It's called DISCERNMENT.

you are the one that constantly uses lables, although you claim to dislike doing so.

Yes. I've labeled you a conspiracy theorist. You fit the description, so I use the label. Does it bother you? It's not an insult. It's an observation. Own it.
Everyone here has used labels. Yes... even you.

you choose to believe something & act like you know it's true. i choose to say i don't know because i wasn't there but i'll highlight inconsistencies in narratives when i see them

You saved your biggest crock of bullshit for last. "Act like I know it's true?" Give us all a break, will ya? And you just innocently "choose to say you don't know because you weren't there?" Another crock of bullshit.

You choose to start from disbelief and mistrust. On everything. The "inconsistencies in narratives" you see are usually not inconsistencies at all. But the glee with which you seek them out makes you a very biased individual when reading any news item.

Those of us who start from belief until proven otherwise don't try to drag you to our way of thinking. Most of us couldn't give less of a shit whether you believe something or not. Unfortunately the opposite isn't true. You seem to have a pathological need to drag people over to your cynical, conspiracy-theorist way of thinking.

[Spicoli]

So no medical reports released no statement from hospital physicians or staff of any sort. No official campaign statement of any type regarding medical treatment and degree of injury...about the presidential candidate. Literally 1 post from Trump. Make us all say "hmmm " without really telling us to say hmmm. Now I'm not doubting he was injured, but this whole .223 bullet piercing his ear as he did some matrix spin seems like it would actually be um trumped up more with well, actual documentation, medical experts and visuals. Just...interesting. But he's got a bandage on. So there's that.

I normally laugh at conspiracy theorists, and here I am sounding just like one.

Truth is basically a lot of things seem odd about the whole thing. Tough to say it was staged, as there WAS one dead person and the ear wound seemed real enough. But damn... I've gotten a glimpse of how life is on the "other side." LOL...

Good point on the lack of medical reports or official statements. Usually they oversaturate us with every insignificant detail of something as important as an assassination attempt. This time it was like, "Ho hum... so on to the sports news..."

I will say that the incident represents the final straw that broke the camel's back of Biden's chances at being reelected.

Those went from a snowball's chance in hell to man walking on the surface of the sun.

Zip. Zero. Nada. Cero. Zilch.

I think if it wasn't for being in what is currently the cesspool known as politics I wouldn't give it a second thought . Cynicism skepticism and being prepared to call BS just comes very easily over the last decade. Odd to think about it. It's always been stage craft and performance meets traveling carnival in large part. They lie manipulate and stoke and prod raw feels like we're trained monkeys. But never on this level with a literal reality tv showman our grand Orange Julius. Politics can appeal to the lowest common denominator regardless of affiliation.

That's one that sticks tbh. The lack and nonexistence of any medical follow up and questions being asked. Crazy how media on whole became the overnight pearl clutching Sanjay Gupta meets Freud crowd after one Biden debate but are pitching crickets with Trump post getting shot. The man can't wear a giant kotex on his ear forever and not expect the cameras to center in. Didn't he march out an entire hospital staff after he "passed" a competency test? And then again for covid. All up front cameras snapping and bolstering that success and health . You'd just think after having bullets bounce off your head and proving to be indestructible after being under fire would be a massive opportunity. Running random, but tbf this is one where the tin foils hats at least split down the middle from what I've seen. Some yell deep state out to get him and some say he's been his own deepest state all along. Humans by nature are inquisitive and when it comes to politicians we've scratched our chins raw decades ago.