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There is no debate for the #1 spot. Mayweather is the undisputed #1 PFP fighter in the world. He was before the Oscar fight, and he did nothing to hurt his status.

If we want to have a debate regarding Pacquiao, the debate is whether he's #2 or whether he's #3 behind Winky.
I agree. If it weren't for all the rabid Pac fans, I'd think that one was beyond debate too. I see Winky as the clearly better P4P fighter. He's obviously technically superior to Pac (everyone admits Pac has lots of flaws), he's fought equally good comp (Tito and Jermain were both higher than Morales P4P), and--unlike Pac--hasn't lost in years. I would hope that if Winky beats yet another P4P ATG in Hopkins, he gets back the #2 spot that he should have never lost in the first place. Pac's great to watch and all, but people really get carried away.
Technique or Result? that is the question. I believe it is result. Lets not forget Wright has 3 losses as well.
I think it's both, but I favor technique. It's fine if you disagree, because I think in this case it's irrelevant: Wright is superior to Pac on both fronts. Yes Wright has 3 losses. So does Pac. But Wright's last "loss" was what should have been a win over Vargas EIGHT YEARS AGO. His last legitimate loss was to Simon, nine years ago. In the meantime, Wright beat Mosley twice (a top 10 P4P fighter and former #1), Tito (a top 10 P4P fighter at the time), and drew (in what should have been a W) with Taylor, who was a top 5 P4P fighter coming of of back-to-back wins over the former #1 P4P fighter, B-Hop.

Pac's last loss was four years ago--HALF as long ago as Wright's--to a back-sliding Erik Morales who was already coming off a loss, and then proceeded to lose his next three fights (granted, two were to Pac, but EM looked like total shit in all of them). In the meantime, he's beaten a top 5 P4P fighter in Barrera, and a shot (but still maybe top 15 P4P in some people's minds) Erik Morales, and drew with JMM, in what could have been a loss. (He also beat Oscar Larios, who was coming up from two full weight divisions below.)

Anyway, I presume you'll agree that Winky overtakes Pac if he beats Hopkins? (that's an extra two divisions of weight-jumping for you, and yet another top 10 P4P fighter and an ATG who's better than anyone on Pac's resume) Right?