Where does everyone have J.M Marquez in their P4P ratings?

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So not only do we not pay attention to world title trinket belts anymore but even the actual oficial fight results arn't important either?

If he lost the fight he lost he lost the fight. If he got robbed or not it still counts as a loss and you can't count it as a win.

For what's it worth I've not seen the Chris John fight.

I've only seen highlights of the first Pacqiaio fight, actually watched the whole fight but I wasn't paying enough attention to score it, but it seems the general consensus was that he won most of the rounds after getting out the first.

His rematch with Pacquaio I didn't score rbr but I had the impression it was a very very close fight that Manny was lucky to win seeing as Marquez was the champ, although as nobody regards the belts as worth a damn any more it's a bit rich that some people insist you still have to 'beat the champ' whilst not acknowledging the belt that makes him a champ in the first place!

But I do feel that young, media friendly, income generating fighters tend to always do better with the judges.

I mean Manny against Marquez, Calzaghe against Hopkins, Dawson against Johnson, Hatton against Collazo, Taylor against Hopkins in all cases in these very close fights it does seem that the more box office friendly fighter with the commercial appeal seems to be favoured. Even Casamayor's win over Santa Cruz, there was no doubt that the boxing world wanted Casamayor vs Juan Diaz at that time and Santa Cruz wouldn't have been a popular winner.

Not saying any of these decisions were 'wrong' well aprt from the Santa Cruz robbery but sometimes in hindsight there almost seems like a sense of inevitability about the scoring.


Still just becuase you don't agree with a result doesn't mean you can change it

Bilbo no offense here but i think you actually need to watch the fight first, before you make a comment on it. It was a robbery and its widely regarded as a robbery, if you want the fight just tell me. And i'll PM you the fight.

Robbery?? I have the videos of the two fights. First fight it was apt to be judged as draw. I even think Pac got it because he had shown to be the stronger fighter during the first fight. 3 knockdowns in the first.

Second fight, scored it for PAC. No question about it. Pac won by 1 round. So very close that biases would come into play.

I posted my round by round score somewhere. Can't dig it now.


as to JMM's p4p ranking, he would top three behind Calzaghe.

Uhh where did i say the Manny Pacquiao fight was a robbery ? Bilbo was on about the Chris John fight and so was i.