Where does everyone have J.M Marquez in their P4P ratings?

[Kev]

Bilbo have you seen the Chris John fight ? that was a robbery JMM won that quite comfortably by atleast 3 rounds.

So not only do we not pay attention to world title trinket belts anymore but even the actual oficial fight results arn't important either?

If he lost the fight he lost he lost the fight. If he got robbed or not it still counts as a loss and you can't count it as a win.

For what's it worth I've not seen the Chris John fight.

I've only seen highlights of the first Pacqiaio fight, actually watched the whole fight but I wasn't paying enough attention to score it, but it seems the general consensus was that he won most of the rounds after getting out the first.

His rematch with Pacquaio I didn't score rbr but I had the impression it was a very very close fight that Manny was lucky to win seeing as Marquez was the champ, although as nobody regards the belts as worth a damn any more it's a bit rich that some people insist you still have to 'beat the champ' whilst not acknowledging the belt that makes him a champ in the first place!

But I do feel that young, media friendly, income generating fighters tend to always do better with the judges.

I mean Manny against Marquez, Calzaghe against Hopkins, Dawson against Johnson, Hatton against Collazo, Taylor against Hopkins in all cases in these very close fights it does seem that the more box office friendly fighter with the commercial appeal seems to be favoured. Even Casamayor's win over Santa Cruz, there was no doubt that the boxing world wanted Casamayor vs Juan Diaz at that time and Santa Cruz wouldn't have been a popular winner.

Not saying any of these decisions were 'wrong' well aprt from the Santa Cruz robbery but sometimes in hindsight there almost seems like a sense of inevitability about the scoring.


Still just becuase you don't agree with a result doesn't mean you can change it

Bilbo no offense here but i think you actually need to watch the fight first, before you make a comment on it. It was a robbery and its widely regarded as a robbery, if you want the fight just tell me. And i'll PM you the fight.

But whether it was a robbery or not is completely irrelevent regarding where you put him in the p4p list. It's still a loss deserved or not.

When Marquez beat Casamayor he became the Ring champ. Now personally I don't believe Marquez deserves to be at number 1 at lightweight seeing as he lost to Pacquaio the fight before and Casamayor in no way deserved to be the linear champ after he was completely dominated by Santa Cruz.

But as much as Casamayor lost that fight, and I've never met a single person who thinks he beat Santa Cruz, he still remained the linear champ and so Marquez is the Ring champ at lightweight.

That's just the way it goes.

So even if I do watch the fight and agree he was robbed I'd still not put him above Calzaghe on the rankings becuase he officially lost.

For what it's worth if Calzaghe had not got the decision over Hopkins I'd have put Hopkins above Joe on the p4p rankings too.