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Marvis Frazier was destroyed in less than a round by Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, so how does that help your arguement ? James Tillis was a journeyman with good footwork but never the less a journeyman.

Joe Bugner was far removed from his prime, and despite a good performance against Joe Frazier he never impressed me, and he was always way too cautious which cost him in alot of fights. James Smith had good power but again his skill-set was nowhere to be seen.

And lastly Angel Manfredy i agree wasn't a bad fighter, and he had a few good wins but he was destroyed by Floyd Mayweather, Diego Corrales but again. When did Angel Manfredy, Marvis Frazier, ever show greatness ? and when did these fighters ever show they could of been the best at there weightclasses ?

I mean i can understand Tim Witherspon on your list, he did have very good skills and could of gone down as one of the greatest Heavyweights of his era. And he did show greatness in a few of his fights before Don King ruined him.

Do you see what im getting now ? IMO this thread was supposed to be about fighters who did show great ability, but never achieved there full potiental. Guys like Marvis Frazier, Angel Manfredy, don't fit this category, even if you did like them as fighters.
Did you get the original question,it was about PROSPECTS,that means someone that looked good early and then FAILED
Like Marvis Frazier,who was underweight and got screwed up trying to turn him in to a slugger,or Manfredy,who allways seemed on the verge of a nervous breakdown,but had skills early on.
Again go back to the original question,a PROSPECT who could have been great
Thats what i was saying so maybe you should go back to the orignal question, when Angel Manfredy fought the names you mentioned was he really and truly a prospect at that time ?

And did you honestly ever think at anytime that Angel Manfredy, Marvis Frazier, could have been great ? please this argument is ridiculous just honestly look at what your saying. Angel Manfredy, Marvis Frazier, could have been great ? i think you need to lay off on whatever your taking.
Come now,Marvis was the National Amateur Champ,National Gold Gloves Champ,beat Witherspoon,Smith,and Green in Amateurs,I think that would qualify as a PROSPECT,and truthfully one that should have beena cruiserweight,he allways fought light. Hell he fought Holmes in only his 10th pro fight
Manfredy won 23 out of his first 25 fights,including two over former champs Paez and Grove,making him a PROSPECT,heck when he beat Robinson,it was HBO after darks highest rated show of 1999,so somebody must have thought something of him as a PROSPECT.