Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
jon09, not only are the defenses of the two brothers pretty solid but they are both so athletic that it is hard to move and get an angle on them even after they miss a punch.

It's a good idea but it's extremely hard to do and there is no telling how well those guys take body shots....I've never ever seen them be bothered by them and they have definently been hit to the body before.

I think the best way to beat either brother is to stay in the pocket and keep them from tying up or pushing off. And you have to either have great defense or a hell of a chin yourself to withstand what they bring to the table.
Yes I have seen fighters tag their body here and there but have never seen anyone really dedicate themselves and chop them down. Most of the challengers will punch up the middle with a jab and then throw wide haymakers to the head in the event that they will land against them. I just cannot see these guys existing at the lower weight classes with their limited punch array. I mean take Vlad for instance, he did not throw 1 uppercut in the Rahman fight or even try to punch to the body when the opportunity was there. And JCG was pretty much fighting 1 handed against Vitali with that pawing jab and horrible left cross that he kept lunging in with. I just do not understand that when you are boxing in the professionals and fighting for a major championship then why would you not come in shape and fight with everything you have to beat the other guy? I don't mean to ramble but it is frustrating to see these 3 big heavyweight champions in Valuev,Vlad and Vitali that to me are very limited and no challenger is good enough to take them out and I don't see and any challenger in the near future which is sad to see.