It frustrates me a bit when poeople build these elaborate arguments to demean or put down a fighters's record or accomplishments.

One of the reasons why politics in so poorly regarded is that all involved simply spent time tearing down each other down, ridiculing their policies and calling each other liars. We chose to believe all of them and none of them at the same time - with the inevitable result that we think all politicians are liars, cheats and scoundrels.

So, here we are - all boxing fans to a greater or lesser extent - and we think we win an argument by totally trashing someone who is within our sport. We allow our judgement of fighters to be swayed by ridicilous unbeaten records, by silly hype and 'trash talking' and then we wonder why this great sport is now relegated to being a minority activity.

So ..... lets look at this thread title: (Pacs accomplishments aren't really that great). here we have a guy who fought his weight out of poverty, comes from a country with few world class boxers to learn from, is fighting in the less well-regarded lower divisions, and is an ethnic filipino (when the biggest TV markets are in the US or Europe).

Today he is a five weight world champion, generally regarded as being in the top two pound for pound fighters on the planet and is pretty secure of being a hall of Famer and a person whose ghost will haunt fighters for some time in the future.

When an outsider who doesn't know what argumentative petty idiots we boxing fans are hears those arguments, he - or she - may assume that the ebstwe can offer is not reallt that good. may as well watch pro wrestling or MMA instead