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Since when do Ring Champions who move up in weight class need to start from ground 0?

It simply dosent happen Lyle and you know it. He cleaned out and Unified his division and proven himself a worldclass fighter at the highest level. All those things dont go by the way side over a few pounds.

You are a biased. End of

Boxing is a business, Haye is Marketable the rest of the division isint. The only one I would argue about is Arreola. He is fat and ugly but he is exciting and has a certain working class charm and demeanor. IMO he has earned his shot.
Did I say Haye needed to start at ground 0 NO! But here's the deal David Haye is the Ring Champion for the cruiserweight division and he moved up to heavyweight with a lot of buzz behind him and he fought MONTE BARRETT....so my issue with David Haye is that he was Ring Champion, he talked the way a guy who wanted an immediate title shot needed to talk BUT he fought Monte Barrett it doesn't add up.

As for weight, sure someone like Ezzard Charles and Hank Armstrong could move up and down in weight and not be effected at all and someone like Ricky Hatton who was a World Class fighter at 140 but move him up to 147 and he couldn't do shit...so while it might not matter for SOME fighters it is an issue and one that David Haye hasn't even tried to answer or even put the boxing fans at ease about, and therefore I question him.

But if you want to go ahead and call be biased fine, I just call it as I see it and I saw David Haye run his mouth and then fight a bum BY CHOICE, if Haye is such a huge draw etc then why fight a bum when he could have lured over a bigger name or a more dangerous fighter. It seemed to me as if David didn't want to test himself.....but I thought the guy was world class? If he's world class then why doesn't he want to SHOW IT
Wait a minute Lyle. There were a lot of fighters who turned down Offers from David Haye. You can't blame him for that. At the end of the day he still fought someone Wlad has fought at HW and dealt with him quicker than Wlad.
What top HW fighters turned down offers to fight Haye? Wlad fought Monte when he had 1 split decision loss and was still a possible up and comer 9 years ago. Haye fought Monte when he had 6 losses and was washed up. I cant believe you people are sticking by Haye, who talked a bunch of crap, got what he wanted (fight with Wlad), then got scared and pulled out with a fake injury......I feel sorry for you if Haye is your hero.