Does Pacquiao deserve all the hate???

[Gandalf]

To Bilbo...as the quote thingy got so long so couldn't quote anymore...

Absolute bollocks. You are telling me that Mosley deserves his shot? Based on what? Winning a round against Floyd and arguably outpointing, though getting a draw, against Mora? So, you can get a shot a shot against the best fighter in the world based on winning a round against the best and drawing with a journeyman? And it is me that has lost all perspective? Sure I have....

I like the way you spin it, Bilbo. How many fighters look good after 40 and against the best P4P fighter in the world? Do you have an actual statistic for this? I bet it is zero. Nobody does. Mosley was a great fighter, but he clearly isn't anymore. The fact that you keep trying to defend it perfectly justifies my Russian analogy.

You have nothing to support your claim that Mosley has it anymore. Okay, let's take it back further. Cotto won more rounds against Mosley than Mosley himself could take and Mayorga gave him hell up until the stoppage. That was a Mosley of half a decade ago. And suddenly we are to expect that he has moved on to a new dimension since.

It is pure delusion and used only by Pac fans to try and justify to themseleves that this fight has meaning. My argument has credence and your five year plan will once again look weak when Mosley gets seriously hurt and I really don't want to see that.

So who does deserve the fight with Manny then Miles? Would you like Manny to stop fighting until the Floyd fight could be negotioted? Maybe you would like him to move up and fight for a middleweight world title?

I would like to see him fight Tim Bradley or Marquez at 140. Berto at 147 would be nice. And any other belt holder at 154. Mosley is really proving nothing right now.

A Floyd fight would be grand and I would be supporting Manny all the way. I have given him credit after each of his victories, but I do criticise him when it is needed. Right now team Pac needs to be criticised.

Anyway, I am pissed off with this thread. I am tired of being linked with anti-semitism. If anybody refers to me or links it to me I shall report it and leave it up to the MODS from now on. I argue my points and do so as well as I can, but when you get idiots swaying in every time saying "ÿou hate Jews" and "you are an anti semite"..well it's not true and at the least I never want to see this on the main board.

Bradley isn't available Miles. He's preparing to fight Devon Alexander with the winner of that most likely facing Khan.

Marquez......ok just answer me this. Is there any other fighter in all of boxing apart from Manny Pacquaio that you would expect to move down a couple weight classes to fight a guy he has already beat?

Berto? That's a step down from Mosley imo. Berto hasn't beaten anybody of note and won't make Manny nearly as much money either.

Tim Bradley is perfectly available. It's just that Arum wanted a signature. Now!

As for Marquez, all we are suggesting is that he go up one and Pac go down one. That isn't revolutionary. And considering that Marquez has cleaned out a division and beaten Pac twice, he does have his own bargaining power.

Berto has looked better than Mosley recently. Maybe Marquez should fight Pac and Mosley should fight Berto but of course it will never happen. The winners could then fight one another.

This current fight is a money making plan only. Pac should feel ashamed for going through with it.