Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post

How is that better than ODLH's record ? ODLH beat better versions of Hernandez, Gatti. And also fought a prime Shane Mosley not the version who is gassed after 2 rounds, and can't beat Sergio Mora convincingly.

JMM was considered a warm up fight for Floyd Mayweather Jr, everyone knows JMM does not belong at Welterweight and had to move 2 weightclasses. And was way out of his depth and looked fleshy around the midsection. A total mismatch which should of never happened really.

Chavez, Manfredy, Hernandez, were all solid contenders, but don't really compare to guys like Camacho, Vargas, Quartey.

Phillip N'Dou was average, Zab Judah was coming off a loss to Carlos Baldomir. And outside of the one win vs Cory Spinks, lost to every elite Welterweight.

Ricky Hatton was at his best at 140 not 147, he would of beat him at any weight. But Manny Pacquiao done it in much better fashion at Ricky Hatton's weightclass, a good win but it would of been more impressive at 140.

ODLH was a part time fighter at the point, he only fought 3 times in 3 years, and still gave Floyd Mayweather Jr at competitive fight. Although he gassed in the later rounds, a good win but it would be a bit different if were talking about the late 90s ODLH.

No debate with guys like Corrales, Castillo, were rated high. And were considered top fighters when Floyd Mayweather Jr beat them.

As for your last comment, there's a difference between winning razor thin close decisions aka Whitaker, Quartey. Than getting robbed and outlanding your opponent 2 to 1 aka Mosley 2, Trinidad.

Total Punches Trinidad De La Hoya Landed 116 263
Power Punches Trinidad De La Hoya Landed 124 120


Total Punches Mosley DeLaHoya Landed 127 221 Thrown 496 616 Pct. 26% 36%
Power Punches Mosley DeLaHoya Landed 94 115 Thrown 228 320 Pct. 41% 36%
Sorry, Ice I'm totally with GB here. You use the natural weight argument against PBF's win at Hatton then totally disregard it saying ODLH beat a better version of Genaro Hernandez & Gatti, who were both well out of their natural weight far more obviously than Hatton.

You say ODLH was a part-time fighter, but PBF had fought only 5 times in the preceding 3 years. He was also outweighed by at least 15lbs probably more.

You criticize some of the opponents that GB has chosen, but you set the bar low by putting in guys like Oba Carr & David Kamau. Don't give me that solid contenders, they were horribly found out against anyone half decent. Hell, if you include them then why not Baldomir, Corley or Sharmba Mitchell.

Last point, fights aren't won on punch stats, they're won on rounds won. I thought Oscar's robbery defeat to Trinidad was more than evened out by his win against Sturm & I've long thought that the HBO commentators played up the ODLH-Mosley robbery angle. I thought Mosley did enough over the 2nd half of the fight to take it & actually you'll find most at ringside thought the same if you look into it. I can see Oscar winning, but not a robbery imo.