Haye vs Wlad being billed as a fight between two of the best heavyweights ever...

[Rantcatrat]

Guess whoever billed it as that never watched Ali vs Foreman or Holyfield vs Bowe or Tyson vs Holyfield 1 or Marciano vs Walcott 1, etc.

you cant rank haye as a top cruiserweight?

what does that mean? you cant rank him top 5? or top 10?

lets say top 5, you givel me 5 cruiserweights in history that have acheived more than haye did at the weight

That's simply ridiculous Erics44. Come on man. I can name many cruiserweights and even some that are currently active that have achieved more than Haye. Consider Steve Cunningham. He has achieved far more than Haye. His wins over Huck, Wlodarcyzk, and Guillermo Jones each are better than any single Haye win. Haye's reign at cruiserweight is overrated. His signature wins really are Fragomenni or Mormeck. Light heavyweight Erdei beat Fragomenni. Mormeck is just Mormeck, I don't need to say anything else.

how do we rate achievement in boxing?

pauli malinagi has been a light welter for years (alright he went down to lightweight for a bit and then up to welter now i think) and he won a world title a couple of times, khan has been there for 6 fights (or whatever), if he beats judah who has achieved more in teh division khan or malinagi?

steve cunnigham, been a cruiser for years, won the ibf title, very good fighter and very good in the division, david haye cruiserweight for 20 fights (or whatever) won the wba, wbc and wbo titles, considered the undisputed best in the division, who has achieved more?

doesnt it really matter who you think has the better names on their record?

more credit is due to the person who beat the better opponents in my book. the straps the come along with it are just straps. i give some credence to being the lineal champion of course or the man in the division and some credence to the length of time being the best in the division and whether he cleaned out the division etc.

take wlad, in another thread started by you, "is the general opinion of wlad deserved," you argue that although wlad is an unified belt holder, he is overrated because he hasn't faced any good competition. haye would beat all of wlad's opposition and so on.

here, you argue that Haye is great because he held a lot of belts even though he didn't face any tough competition. it's a little hypocritical, isn't it? there's a difference though. when haye was at cruiserweight the division was crap, but haye wasn't in the division for very long. he didn't clean it out. wlad has literally cleaned out the entire division and faced the top in his division. haye left the division before he did that.

to be fair, with haye i feel like it's all about potential because his resume is thin. he has looked good dispatching weak opposition, but he doesn't really have a career defining victory. so if he beats wlad, that'll be i and he'll retire on top. he'll be p4p in my book. so far he hasn't beat anyone even remotely close to wlad. not even close.