The Top Twenty Heavies

[Master]

You take all factors into account: their impact on boxing, level of competition, sheer skill, drawing power..... there's NO way Holmes is anywhere near 3rd on the all-time list.

20 defences, wins over Norton, taking the punch of Shavers, the event of beating Cooney and beating Ali were great feats.

Norton was hardly an all-time great. Cooney was an over-hyped "white hope" who vanished as quickly as he appeared. Ali?!?!? You mean: "the dried-up, over-the-hill, should've-been-retired" Ali, who looked like a walking corpse during the fight. Shame on the racist for even taking that fight!

Holmes had to take the Ali fight as Tyson did Holmes. The Norton fight was brilliant and Holmes went through it with an injury, I never said Cooney was great, but the event was big. I am not trying to convert you, just Holmes did all he could do in his era.