Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
Have these riots changed your views on gun ownership?
Who? Me?

Absolutely not! You give these nutters guns and everybody else guns and you would have civil war. I'm serious, this is not America where you are too heavy to get off of an armchair, many British people can still walk as you can see. Iraq war protests, student cuts protests.....American's have lost their legs and it is nothing to do with guns.

The UK is screwed not because of a lack of guns, but because of careless and stupid social policies (reducing teacher and police power), lack of control over immigration and a current desire to strip back the state. What the UK has is a huge subculture of alienation and it is revolting. But for all the wrong and selfish reasons. It is probably Thatcherism brought to its ultimate conclusion.
I don't know if it's Thatcherism, it could be something else. I found these 2 responses while I was reading the comment section of an article about the riots. I found it to be really interesting and I think it possibly could hold some merit.

God I don't live in the UK anymore it is a different country from the one I left in the 'swinging sixties' . - smokingetna, Sicily, 10/8/2011 10:12
I think what we have now is a by-product of the 'swinging sixties'. In my aged opinion, all our modern day societal troubles are a result of the breakdown of the moral fabric of society. The youth of the 60s turned their backs on what they perceived as a stuffy, old-fashioned moralistic society. Instead they sought social freedom and self-pleasure. They became known as the 'have it all' generation. However, they failed to realise that some of those old-fashioned ideals were there for a very good reason.
- Richard Moore, Leicester, UK, 10/8/2011
I do know that after the 60s counter culture revolution and a rebellion of conservative social mores of the past generation that American society did degenerate into a level of debauchery not seen by any generation before it. Generation X born around '65 to '77 in America, especially when they were young adults and adolescents in the '80s had higher rates of delinquency, higher rates of high school dropouts, higher rates of illicit drug use, higher rates of teen pregnancy, overall just a higher number of fuckups. I also remember reading about the overall crime rates from the FBI by decade clearly showed the 80s and 90s had higher numbers of overall crime committed by this group. Generation Y of course, this generation is clearly much worse.

I would probably need to search the internet for these studies. But I'm pretty certain that a rejection of the old moralistic social mores have led to this current generation of degenerates that are so prevalent not only in the UK but also the US.