Mares-Agbeko, What I Saw

[captainanddew]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

[marbleheadmaui]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

[IamInuit]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

[Spicoli]

There is no doubt in my mind that had Agbeko retaliated to the degree warranted or roles reversed he would have been dq'd. It was just that biased and referee should seriously be investigated.

[marbleheadmaui]

There is no doubt in my mind that had Agbeko retaliated to the degree warranted or roles reversed he would have been dq'd. It was just that biased and referee should seriously be investigated.

Agbeko should have taken a good low shot in the fourth round and waited no longer. THAT may well have changed both the referees and Mares' mindset about what was going on. At most it'd have cost him a point. And had Mares been given time? That would have given Agbeko time to excoriate the ref about how he was letting Agbeko be abused.

[Spicoli]

There is no doubt in my mind that had Agbeko retaliated to the degree warranted or roles reversed he would have been dq'd. It was just that biased and referee should seriously be investigated.

Agbeko should have taken a good low shot in the fourth round and waited no longer. THAT may well have changed both the referees and Mares' mindset about what was going on. At most it'd have cost him a point. And had Mares been given time? That would have given Agbeko time to excoriate the ref about how he was letting Agbeko be abused.

I just don't think its in some guys nature to need crutches and play along with the mind games and manuvering. I get what you say about the eye for an eye though. As such he was already flirting with unintentional headbutt and cut caused around 4th (?) and I really think ref was looking for excuse, he would not have been giving the pass. The last place a guys mind needs to be is on doing the job of the referee. I always flashback to the bs and whining Tyson was doing in regards to butts from Holyfield and how it led to and resulted in the bite, an extreme case yes and no Mares is not Tyson.

[marbleheadmaui]

There is no doubt in my mind that had Agbeko retaliated to the degree warranted or roles reversed he would have been dq'd. It was just that biased and referee should seriously be investigated.

Agbeko should have taken a good low shot in the fourth round and waited no longer. THAT may well have changed both the referees and Mares' mindset about what was going on. At most it'd have cost him a point. And had Mares been given time? That would have given Agbeko time to excoriate the ref about how he was letting Agbeko be abused.

I just don't think its in some guys nature to need crutches and play along with the mind games and manuvering. I get what you say about the eye for an eye though. As such he was already flirting with unintentional headbutt and cut caused around 4th (?) and I really think ref was looking for excuse, he would not have been giving the pass. The last place a guys mind needs to be is on doing the job of the referee. I always flashback to the bs and whining Tyson was doing in regards to butts from Holyfield and how it led to and resulted in the bite, an extreme case yes and no Mares is not Tyson.

I hear what you are saying, but I guess I think it SHOULD be in a top fighter's mind not to let himself get abused in the ring. NOBODY but perhaps the ref, would have thought Agbeko was acting inappropriately in retaliating last night, would they?

Course, as always, it is easy to think clearly about stuff like this from the comfort of my office while I'm not getting drilled in the family jewels.

[marbleheadmaui]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

[IamInuit]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

By one of two pimp Governing bodies that are going to be pressured to the edge of a plank.

[marbleheadmaui]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

By one of two pimp Governing bodies that are going to be pressured to the edge of a plank.

I dunno. The IBF Frauds ordered a rematch between Perez and Agbeko after their second fight IIRC and it mysteriously never came to be.

[IamInuit]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

By one of two pimp Governing bodies that are going to be pressured to the edge of a plank.

I dunno. The IBF Frauds ordered a rematch between Perez and Agbeko after their second fight IIRC and it mysteriously never came to be.

The pressure here I think is going to be quite different. This actually looked like a fix.