Mares-Agbeko, What I Saw

[marbleheadmaui]

good post
I saw Mares winning the fight , even if he had a 2 point deduction , and the second knockdown being called a low blow.

Mares was the better fighter simply, altought the referee was unfair to Agbeko, Mares still presented more skill and talent

See this is what makes this referee's performance so unfortunate because you can't say how this fight turns out if he takes points. Mares was given a pass to attack the body without discretion when he wasn't penalized for the numerous low blows. Who knows how this fight changes on that alone. Also another thing that no one has mentioned is the effect it had to have on Agbeko MENTALLY! He showed true heart but fighting two people had to weight on him so to say that Mares was simply the better fighter is not a fair assessment........oh yeah, not to mention the physical impact the low blows had on Agbeko

Excellent point.

[marbleheadmaui]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

[IamInuit]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

[marbleheadmaui]

Low is low. Simple as and its not for us to pretend to imagine what should have hurt, what shifted cups, the size of his piece and what side it swings on etc. Are we being hit in the cup ,let alone the face? The ref was an insult to the sport, the fighters and reality in general. The entire 'he was pulling the head down so consequently I can understand him hacking into your jewels' 5 10 infinity times is a cop out refs fall back on. Pick a team, stop straddling the fence and excusing repetitive illegal tactics. Start docking points either way...but don't run from one to the other waving your finger like some indecisive and panicky lunch counter lady full of empty rhetoric. Guys are professionals and if your in a clinch, your head is down occasionally fight out, shift off but its NOT a free pass to neuter a dude and then be given a free pass for a bs knockdown.

I honestly think the deck was already stacked against Agbeko going in. The whole tone of it basically sounding like a final coronation of Mares by the announce team, what round might he get a ko in?!? wtf! There were subtle shifts once it warmed and as much as Mares deserved to be called on LB I also think it took some focus off how Agbeko switched gears from being rushed early on by Mares to matching and even walking Mares down at times midway. He was more effective than given credit for. You could just see body language as Mares switched to counter a bit and cut had him bothered and was taking more right hands. While not pretty he took some serious inside shots to. The LBs were serious momentum breakers and frankly I dont buy that all were mistakes, give me a break. You either train to foul or you dont train well enough to be a legit legal body puncher, or your just a wide guy with shitty body work technique. Doesn't matter 'why or how' your doing it...your doing it. End of. I think there will be a rematch as there should be. Both deserve it. Mares to come out 'clean' without questions concerning ref, calls and to show he doesn't have to smash balls to get a clear win and Agbeko because he was dealt a stacked deck. This was a quality match between quality fighter in a glory division of old that deserved better.

I think it is really tough to argue with either of the bold. After Mora gently chided Mares about the fourth time I thought to myself "OK, Agbeko is absolutely going to get that knockdown point back." Yet Mora kept chiding him rather than taking points. Not sure I have ever seen anything like that.

On Mares intentionality? I think there are only really two ways to see it. He was doing it intentionally OR he is a truly terrible judge of distance.

I think what we've learned about "whack-whack-whack" is he's a mean little SOB in the tradition of Eusabio Pedroza.

[IamInuit]

In addition Russell Mora is a totally incompetent ref and had no business being their. That in and of itself warrants a rematch. He was sure quick to take a point off Pederson.

[Spicoli]

There is no doubt in my mind that had Agbeko retaliated to the degree warranted or roles reversed he would have been dq'd. It was just that biased and referee should seriously be investigated.

[marbleheadmaui]

I really like Abner Mares but he could of been DQ'ed for his antics last night, he must of landed atleast 30 low blows. And the worse thing is that a clear low blow was called a knockdown an absolute disgrace.

Abner Mares was winning the early rounds, but Joseph Agbeko was coming back and could of been on the verge of stealing the decision, had that ridiculous 11th round not happened.

1 Mares 10-8
2 Mares 10-9
3 Mares 10-9
4 Agbeko 10-9
5 Mares 10-9
6 Mares 10-9
7 Agbeko 10-9
8 Mares 10-9
9 Agbeko 10-9
10 Agbeko 10-9 it should of been 10-8
11 Mares 10-8 BS though
12 Mares 10-9

That's how i had it but in reality, Joseph Agbeko should of had two 10-8 rounds. In the 10th and 11th rounds for 100 percent.

One can make a pretty good argument that Mares could, and perhaps should have been penalized at least two points prior to the 11th round. Then that shot in the 11th could have made the ref call a DQ.

[marbleheadmaui]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

[marbleheadmaui]

There is no doubt in my mind that had Agbeko retaliated to the degree warranted or roles reversed he would have been dq'd. It was just that biased and referee should seriously be investigated.

Agbeko should have taken a good low shot in the fourth round and waited no longer. THAT may well have changed both the referees and Mares' mindset about what was going on. At most it'd have cost him a point. And had Mares been given time? That would have given Agbeko time to excoriate the ref about how he was letting Agbeko be abused.

[IamInuit]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

By one of two pimp Governing bodies that are going to be pressured to the edge of a plank.

[marbleheadmaui]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

By one of two pimp Governing bodies that are going to be pressured to the edge of a plank.

I dunno. The IBF Frauds ordered a rematch between Perez and Agbeko after their second fight IIRC and it mysteriously never came to be.

[IamInuit]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

By one of two pimp Governing bodies that are going to be pressured to the edge of a plank.

I dunno. The IBF Frauds ordered a rematch between Perez and Agbeko after their second fight IIRC and it mysteriously never came to be.

The pressure here I think is going to be quite different. This actually looked like a fix.

[marbleheadmaui]

I only scored the first 10 rounds and had it 6-4 for Mares (felt like how can I even score from then on when the ref is letting a blatant low blow be called a knockdown in the 11th).

The low blows were obscene. Agbeko got drilled low so often how could it not have changed the fight?


I was happy that Mares got the win because I had bet 50 dollars on him to win, but I feel that if an immediate rematch isn't granted that would be a travesty.

Al Bernstein called it the worst ref performance he had seen in the last 15 years. Jim Gray badgered the ref in the post fight. He asked about the low blows in general and specifically the knockdown in the 11th. Mora said it was on the belt line. Then Gray had the replay of that knockdown shown as they were being interviewed. Mora said he would like to review that one again. Gray said Showtime could show the replay again and Mora started backpedalling and wasn't going to say anything else about it. He knew as soon as he saw the replay that he screwed up royally.

Abner Mares was oblivious. He said that all of them were on the beltline. I never knew a guys beltline was right on the cup. Then he said guys were always pulling his head down causing low blows, which was a response to being asked about Darchinyan and now Agbeko getting low blowed (which I saw happening on only a few of the low shots).

If you properly took a point from Mares for low blows (if not 2 with the number of ones landed) and take away the knockdown in the 11th, then I think I'd end up with a fight that is a draw. And that doesn't begin to estimate the low blows and their effect and the opponent.

I went back and read the fight thread and you really got angry huh? Can't say I blame you. On the bold I have to agree. But I doubt it will happen.

I think a rematch will be ordered within a week or two.

Ordered by whom?

By one of two pimp Governing bodies that are going to be pressured to the edge of a plank.

I dunno. The IBF Frauds ordered a rematch between Perez and Agbeko after their second fight IIRC and it mysteriously never came to be.

The pressure here I think is going to be quite different. This actually looked like a fix.

No it didn't. If it was supposed to be a fix it was the worst executed fight fix in history. It looked like an overmatched ref.

The idea that the alphabet gangs have the moral standing to pass judgement on even last night is amusing.

But either way I have exhausted my daily quota of references to the alphabet frauds.

[Spicoli]

There is no doubt in my mind that had Agbeko retaliated to the degree warranted or roles reversed he would have been dq'd. It was just that biased and referee should seriously be investigated.

Agbeko should have taken a good low shot in the fourth round and waited no longer. THAT may well have changed both the referees and Mares' mindset about what was going on. At most it'd have cost him a point. And had Mares been given time? That would have given Agbeko time to excoriate the ref about how he was letting Agbeko be abused.

I just don't think its in some guys nature to need crutches and play along with the mind games and manuvering. I get what you say about the eye for an eye though. As such he was already flirting with unintentional headbutt and cut caused around 4th (?) and I really think ref was looking for excuse, he would not have been giving the pass. The last place a guys mind needs to be is on doing the job of the referee. I always flashback to the bs and whining Tyson was doing in regards to butts from Holyfield and how it led to and resulted in the bite, an extreme case yes and no Mares is not Tyson.

[ICB]

I really like Abner Mares but he could of been DQ'ed for his antics last night, he must of landed atleast 30 low blows. And the worse thing is that a clear low blow was called a knockdown an absolute disgrace.

Abner Mares was winning the early rounds, but Joseph Agbeko was coming back and could of been on the verge of stealing the decision, had that ridiculous 11th round not happened.

1 Mares 10-8
2 Mares 10-9
3 Mares 10-9
4 Agbeko 10-9
5 Mares 10-9
6 Mares 10-9
7 Agbeko 10-9
8 Mares 10-9
9 Agbeko 10-9
10 Agbeko 10-9 it should of been 10-8
11 Mares 10-8 BS though
12 Mares 10-9

That's how i had it but in reality, Joseph Agbeko should of had two 10-8 rounds. In the 10th and 11th rounds for 100 percent.

One can make a pretty good argument that Mares could, and perhaps should have been penalized at least two points prior to the 11th round. Then that shot in the 11th could have made the ref call a DQ.

Especially if he would of been deducted points way before the 10th round, which in reality he should have. I mean some of those shots were to the leg it was ridiculous.