Re: (Miles get in here!) Ghetto grammar (Evening Standard)

Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by
ryanman

Originally Posted by
miles

Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
I actually agree with every word of this.
I agree too. Children shouldn't be allowed to get away with these base language forms in the classroom and as a parent I would be extremely annoyed to hear this kind of language in the home. Sure, speak how you want with your friends, I can't control that, but within the domain of the school and perhaps even the workplace it should be controlled and extinguished. Kids are always going to want to subvert language to appear cool and be in some way 'giving it to the establishment', but it is cheap, lazy and ugly.
Again schools need to get strong with classroom discourse and the kinds of verbal interaction that are allowed to take place in classrooms. I am not one for getting too harsh on second language learners coming to terms with a new language, but native speakers who have grown up in a non-corrective environment who are flagrantly abusing their own language? I don't think it is acceptable at all.
Everyone needs to be encouraged to broaden their linguistic and expressive capabilities. Those that can't do so to an effective degree will obviously struggle in life, but that shouldn't mean we give up on everyone and tolerate an open acceptance of crude forms such as 'innit' and excessive use of the word 'like' and so on. The writer of the article makes some valid and fair arguments really.
You know that 'proper' English is a late-19th century construct designed to subdue regional cultural diversity and thus make the whole population more plyable to central government? I thought you were against right-of-centre mechanisms of the state?
Well. Several points. Most language is standardised, Spanish for example, began to become under state control in the 1200's.
On the otherhand. The stephen fry argument that language is always evolving.
Thirdly, dialects are kinda cool, if I put on my local dialect people round here have no idea what I'm saying, it feels like a code

Plus there is a rich social history to language & dialects which is being eroded.
...but there is no way I would go out with anyone giving it all that 'arks', 'innit' shyte. It would annoy to the point of killing a puppy.

Agreed, you all sound old, language evolves and the majority of the young grow out of the street language and conform eventually.
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