WARD vs FROCH!!! who wins and why?

[Pugilistic]

Dont think iv seen that clip!

Put it this way, if Froch gets him hurt and Ward does all that ineffective holding and floundering Froch will finish him. Ward looked badly hurt there!

pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum

doubt you can read that much into it tho

Your right, you shouldn't read into it.

Look at who Ward has fought over recent years.

Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Abraham and even Green.

All those guys have a good punch especially Abraham and Miranda.

None of those guys were able to hurt or drop Ward.

Maybe Froch has the power to hurt Ward but it's not likely imo.

Ward will UD him imo. It will be a tough but clear decision win for him.

[Master]

Ward wins points, too fast, too good and better boxer. Froch needs to rough up Andre like he did his mate Dirrell but see Ward as too seasoned to fall for that type of assault from Froch. I hope I am wrong because Carl deserves to be "made" for taking on the best and making it entertaining.

[ross]

Dont think iv seen that clip!

Put it this way, if Froch gets him hurt and Ward does all that ineffective holding and floundering Froch will finish him. Ward looked badly hurt there!

pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum

doubt you can read that much into it tho

Your right, you shouldn't read into it.

Look at who Ward has fought over recent years.

Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Abraham and even Green.

All those guys have a good punch especially Abraham and Miranda.

None of those guys were able to hurt or drop Ward.

Maybe Froch has the power to hurt Ward but it's not likely imo.

Ward will UD him imo. It will be a tough but clear decision win for him.

Ward has learnt to smother and hold to nulify an opponents work and compencate for that chin.

Hopefully Froch has been working on not allowing him to do that.

Check this out. The final round of Ward v Bika. All Ward does is feign a jab to duck in and hold. Theres one point later in the round, close to the last minute where Bika is litterally draging Ward around to try and get him off of him! He was hurt!

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=3xN-icKEntk

[erics44]

Dont think iv seen that clip!

Put it this way, if Froch gets him hurt and Ward does all that ineffective holding and floundering Froch will finish him. Ward looked badly hurt there!

pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum

doubt you can read that much into it tho

Your right, you shouldn't read into it.

Look at who Ward has fought over recent years.

Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Abraham and even Green.

All those guys have a good punch especially Abraham and Miranda.

None of those guys were able to hurt or drop Ward.

Maybe Froch has the power to hurt Ward but it's not likely imo.

Ward will UD him imo. It will be a tough but clear decision win for him.

Ward has learnt to smother and hold to nulify an opponents work and compencate for that chin.

Hopefully Froch has been working on not allowing him to do that.

Check this out. The final round of Ward v Bika. All Ward does is feign a jab to duck in and hold. Theres one point later in the round, close to the last minute where Bika is litterally draging Ward around to try and get him off of him! He was hurt!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

that is excessive holding without a warning

ward didnt look good at all in that fight

[erics44]

might be a daft thing to say but if the Ward Kessler fight hadnt have happened would ward still be the favourite?

I personally dont think so

[CFH]

might be a daft thing to say but if the Ward Kessler fight hadnt have happened would ward still be the favourite?

I personally dont think so

You mean like if this fight took place before the Super 6? I think Froch would be the favorite, but Ward would be a very live dog and that a lot of pretty knowledgeable boxing fans would pick Ward to win. Most of us didn't know a ton about him before the tourny, but I remember some posters on here being really high on Ward even then.

[erics44]

might be a daft thing to say but if the Ward Kessler fight hadnt have happened would ward still be the favourite?

I personally dont think so

You mean like if this fight took place before the Super 6? I think Froch would be the favorite, but Ward would be a very live dog and that a lot of pretty knowledgeable boxing fans would pick Ward to win. Most of us didn't know a ton about him before the tourny, but I remember some posters on here being really high on Ward even then.

no i mean if it were now but ward and kessler had never happened, so we were judging ward mainly on the miranda, green, bika and abraham fights

because miranda has been more soundly beaten as has green, bika and abraham

[ross]

Thats right! Also, Kessler had only been beaten by someone fighting fire with fire, not by someone stopping his momentum by holding, grabbing and headbutting.

[shza]

might be a daft thing to say but if the Ward Kessler fight hadnt have happened would ward still be the favourite?

I personally dont think so

You mean like if this fight took place before the Super 6? I think Froch would be the favorite, but Ward would be a very live dog and that a lot of pretty knowledgeable boxing fans would pick Ward to win. Most of us didn't know a ton about him before the tourny, but I remember some posters on here being really high on Ward even then.

no i mean if it were now but ward and kessler had never happened, so we were judging ward mainly on the miranda, green, bika and abraham fights

because miranda has been more soundly beaten as has green, bika and abraham

Ward would still be favored because Froch has lost half of his fights in this tournament. The "win" over Direll was the biggest hometown decision in the Super 6. The guy is tough and has a huge heart but is super-sloppy. The Froch/Kessler fight was the most amatuerish, sloppy fight I've seen in a long time between two supposedly elite fighters.

Froch's win over Pascal is his only really commendable top-level victory. I don't count an exposed Abraham, a shot Taylor, or a shot Johnson for too much.

[Rantcatrat]

Dont think iv seen that clip!

Put it this way, if Froch gets him hurt and Ward does all that ineffective holding and floundering Froch will finish him. Ward looked badly hurt there!

pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum

doubt you can read that much into it tho

Your right, you shouldn't read into it.

Look at who Ward has fought over recent years.

Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Abraham and even Green.

All those guys have a good punch especially Abraham and Miranda.

None of those guys were able to hurt or drop Ward.

Maybe Froch has the power to hurt Ward but it's not likely imo.

Ward will UD him imo. It will be a tough but clear decision win for him.

Not one of those guys ever cleanly hit Ward. I can't remember the round but I think Abraham connected once and Ward noticed. The reason why they didn't connect with Ward is because Ward is too slippery to hit. I'm not sure Froch can solve that puzzle.