Jan Zaveck vs. Andre Berto fight thread - on HBO tonight

[Spicoli]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

[Galaxy]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

I agree, there are those who would argue that Ortiz was his 1st real test & even then Berto entered as the favourite. his progress seemed to stall & he never really improved. In saying that though remember how far limited warriors like Ward & Gatti continued! Lets hope Berto can give us half as many thrills. He has already given us the Collazo & Ortiz fights

[ruthless rocco]

this is the first proper orthodox fighter berto will have fought since 2009...
i think this could be an upset...but it'll probably be a gift win for berto with zaveck getting robbed USA styles.

[Mars_ax]

this is the first proper orthodox fighter berto will have fought since 2009...
i think this could be an upset...but it'll probably be a gift win for berto with zaveck getting robbed USA styles.

Berto is still one of HBO's boys, so they'll be all over his nuts Saturday night, and hoping he wins another title. I agree that the likely outcome of this fight is Zaveck getting fucked on the scorecards, hopefully Zaveck will take the judges out of the equation.

[Rantcatrat]

I believe this is an important fight for Berto because if he wins closely/controversely or if the fight isn't too fun to watch, HBO will go cold on him. After the loss against Ortiz, they picked Zaveck for a reason, but he's not a bad opponent for Berto coming off a loss. Zaveck is a solid fighter. I expect Berto to be too dynamic for him and to overwhelm him by knockout around the middle of the fight.

[Spicoli]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

I agree, there are those who would argue that Ortiz was his 1st real test & even then Berto entered as the favourite. his progress seemed to stall & he never really improved. In saying that though remember how far limited warriors like Ward & Gatti continued! Lets hope Berto can give us half as many thrills. He has already given us the Collazo & Ortiz fights

Luv u long time bro but.....

I'm with you in regard to Ortiz being the biggest hurdle for Berto going in. It suprised me how much he was being looked at as just a stepping stone for Berto but he had serious questions with will & chin. I was more stuck on Bertos flaws. All we can hope for with Jan is a solid fight and an honest result, and for fan excitement here's to hoping Berto stays squared up, head high up and throwing big shots

[Galaxy]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

I agree, there are those who would argue that Ortiz was his 1st real test & even then Berto entered as the favourite. his progress seemed to stall & he never really improved. In saying that though remember how far limited warriors like Ward & Gatti continued! Lets hope Berto can give us half as many thrills. He has already given us the Collazo & Ortiz fights

Luv u long time bro but.....

I'm with you in regard to Ortiz being the biggest hurdle for Berto going in. It suprised me how much he was being looked at as just a stepping stone for Berto but he had serious questions with will & chin. I was more stuck on Bertos flaws. All we can hope for with Jan is a solid fight and an honest result, and for fan excitement here's to hoping Berto stays squared up, head high up and throwing big shots

Thats all I'm saying, if he keeps giving us exciting fights I'll keep watching

[armin]

Just read an interview from berto over on ringonline, and honestly sounds like his heart might not be in it anymore all the way. Going with zaveck win sort of blindly since I don't know much about the dude but bertos talking about the passion not being there anymore and what not so...

[LukeH]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

The only problem is it's somtimes a double edged sword... If you take your time trying to build someone up and develop skills certain people will call you out for not stepping up fast enough, which as a fighter you would imagine wouldn't be nice thing to hear and depending on the bottle of the promotoer to ignore the fans and do whats best in the name of development it could force them to step up quicker than would be ideal. On the other hand you reach a certain level and then get thrown in with no time to improve and kinda stagnate?

Then there is money and we all know everyone loves a fast buck one way or another...


I'm mashed might have repeated myself, can't be bothered to read through and check, sorry.

[ICB]

A link would be appreciated fellas looking forward to this one.

[Mars_ax]

A link would be appreciated fellas looking forward to this one.

The streams that I used to get are unavailable, if I can find one before the fight starts, i'll send you a PM.

[ICB]

A link would be appreciated fellas looking forward to this one.

The streams that I used to get are unavailable, if I can find one before the fight starts, i'll send you a PM.

Thanks bro.

[CFH]

A link would be appreciated fellas looking forward to this one.

The streams that I used to get are unavailable, if I can find one before the fight starts, i'll send you a PM.

Thanks bro.

You have sopcast?

[ICB]

A link would be appreciated fellas looking forward to this one.

The streams that I used to get are unavailable, if I can find one before the fight starts, i'll send you a PM.

Thanks bro.

You have sopcast?

Yes bro when does it start.

[Diane]

A link would be appreciated fellas looking forward to this one.

I tried sending you some links, but your folder is full. Get rid of some of your pm's, and I can send them to you.


Scratch that, I'll just add my extra links to the stream links thread that was started.