Jan Zaveck vs. Andre Berto fight thread - on HBO tonight

[Spicoli]

I dont know him personally but he's a terribly flawd fighter who has not improved and is afforded grounds that can be walked by better more solid guys. I have zero doubt that he gets badly rattled if he is put in with the top tier and you can see that as plain as day. This night was all about getting him a strap so he can be marketed into another "mega fight" on HBO. U want exciting go pick some joe schmo off an obscure undercard who explodes even more and also swings for the fences. Berto is a guarded investment with rooted connections, but I'm sure he's a wonderful dinner guest as well.

What's the difference between him and Katsidis in that case though? Katsidis gets hit at will and has been stpped a bunch of times now yet HBO always call on him because he's exciting, and he's not even American.

There's really no conspiracy as to why Berto is on HBO. He's simply been more exciting, faster, explosive and impressively built physically than any other American fighter in and around that weight class. It would be a bizarre ommission if he hadn't been a HBO regular imo.

When Kats is mentioned in the same sentence as the very best in his division people call bullshit on it. He serves to frankly make the more primary guy shine and is not sold as a legit two time next coming of the all mighty super star. For all his heart those 15 minutes expired quick on...and really Bertos natural athleticism is leagues beyond but he'll not realize it because he was rushed to market and made bigger than he was at the time.

I honestly don't think Berto is all that exciting but more of just another glossy pumped up car on the race track. Its a matter of time. His hands are NOT Meldrick taylor esqu and he does not have the legs, stamina or stubborn streak to last in all of these face first brawls we are suddenly prepared to throw him into. Memo to HBO fluffers and Max....do they remember what became of Taylor after his "exciting match" with Chavez? Whens the last time you heard Kats choke up simply talking about Haymon and HBO promotion after a fight

[Hulk]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

[#1FightFan]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

yup!!! i hate that shit!!!
I believe Zaveck was starting to come on strong, and woulda knocked berto down at least once!! he rattled berto a few good times.

[Hulk]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

yup!!! i hate that shit!!!
I believe Zaveck was starting to come on strong, and woulda knocked berto down at least once!! he rattled berto a few good times.

I agree. It was infuriating and always is when a good fight ends that way.

Zaveck was down a bit on the cards, but he had the better defense, better inside game and was landing the harder punches in there.

I was certain he was going to walk Berto into a nice overhand right or left hook eventually.

Damn shame his corner punked out on him.

[ICB]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

Wasn't his eye completely closed ?

[Andre]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

Wasn't his eye completely closed ?

Yep and the other on its way, blood in one too.

[Hulk]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

Wasn't his eye completely closed ?

Yep and the other on its way, blood in one too.

It wasn't THAT bad. Lets be real here.

[Andre]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

Wasn't his eye completely closed ?

Yep and the other on its way, blood in one too.

It wasn't THAT bad. Lets be real here.

Yeah it just was was it was.

[Spicoli]

Least the guy deserved was the "how many fingers am I holding up" before they pulled the plug.

His corner knew what they were there for and who buttered the bread

[fan johnny]

BULLSHIT STOPPAGE !

Fucking Zaveck's corner stopped it way too soon. He had a bad cut, but soooo many fighters have continued on with much much worse cuts and swelling. Such as Carmen Basilio, Fernando Vargas, Ebo Elder, Erik Morales, etc.

It was a very exciting fight and quite competitive. Damn shame it ended that way.

I think it was a good stoppage. I though he could have continued but those cuts on both eye lids would have become way worse. They already made the purse for the fight and I think he was better than Berto on the inside. The only thing that gave Berto more rounds is he was more busy but not necessary more effective. I think Zaveck should get a rematch contract or not.

[armin]

Yeah its one those cases where the heart and will and even skill was there, but the body just wasn't having it, in this case the dam eyelids. Zaveck definitely was landing the more telling punches and I feel like berto was going to get dropped at some point, berto would just flurry while zaveck would cover up and block most of the punches where as berto was getting caught flush much more often. Don't think zavecks getting a rematch, just like zbik didn't against chavez jr in what was a very close fight certainly deserving of a rematch, boxing politics.

[Ant Live]

Berto is not as good as I thought. He's classifies as a "B" level fighter. The "A" list will beat him every time.
It suppose to be . . .Berto vs Bailey next
Should be . . .Berto vs Zaveck
I wish is would be . . .Berto vs Bradley

[Kev]

I dont know him personally but he's a terribly flawd fighter who has not improved and is afforded grounds that can be walked by better more solid guys. I have zero doubt that he gets badly rattled if he is put in with the top tier and you can see that as plain as day. This night was all about getting him a strap so he can be marketed into another "mega fight" on HBO. U want exciting go pick some joe schmo off an obscure undercard who explodes even more and also swings for the fences. Berto is a guarded investment with rooted connections, but I'm sure he's a wonderful dinner guest as well.

What's the difference between him and Katsidis in that case though? Katsidis gets hit at will and has been stpped a bunch of times now yet HBO always call on him because he's exciting, and he's not even American.

There's really no conspiracy as to why Berto is on HBO. He's simply been more exciting, faster, explosive and impressively built physically than any other American fighter in and around that weight class. It would be a bizarre ommission if he hadn't been a HBO regular imo.

When Kats is mentioned in the same sentence as the very best in his division people call bullshit on it. He serves to frankly make the more primary guy shine and is not sold as a legit two time next coming of the all mighty super star. For all his heart those 15 minutes expired quick on...and really Bertos natural athleticism is leagues beyond but he'll not realize it because he was rushed to market and made bigger than he was at the time.

I honestly don't think Berto is all that exciting but more of just another glossy pumped up car on the race track. Its a matter of time. His hands are NOT Meldrick taylor esqu and he does not have the legs, stamina or stubborn streak to last in all of these face first brawls we are suddenly prepared to throw him into. Memo to HBO fluffers and Max....do they remember what became of Taylor after his "exciting match" with Chavez? Whens the last time you heard Kats choke up simply talking about Haymon and HBO promotion after a fight

I've never heard anyohne annoint Berto as the second coming either. To my knowledge he has never been featured in The Ring p4p top 10 so I don't know why you regard him as overatted? He is regarded as one of the very best 147 pound fighters in the world, and one of the most exciting.

I don't disagree with that at all. Floyd and Manny are not going to be around for much longer and then Berto is pretty much the best out there. He still has a bright future, despite clearly not being as good as Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Hopkins etc.

But then, few fighters are.