sad state of boxing

[Andre]

last night after watching vitale stumble around the ring and listen to jim lamply and emanual stewart blow smoke up everyones ass about vitales greatness, i cant help but think how desperate hbo is . My wife who knows nothing about boxing was watching with me and asked who are these guys I said hes the heavy weight champion of the world, she thought i was kidding. maybe we are all kidding ourselves. the klitchko brothers are in my estimation the worst champions to come along ever. They both have limited movement, very basic boxing skills, extremely poor balance, hands low, chin exposed, back straight up. to many other things to mention. It amazes me to think no one is able to exploit these things. Says alot for the sorry state of the division. The david haye fight was even worse, Both of the fighters purses shouldve been given to charity. All the shit talking I thought someone would get killed, what a joke. It doesnt surprise me that MMA has grown in popularity, given the fact that the major networks air these fights, What really pissed me off was comparing vitale with goerge forman are you kidding me, foreman please i wont even respond to that one. Ive been watching fights since the 70s and have seen many great fighters, saad muhamad, salvador sanchez, welfredo gomez,marvin hagler,roberto duran etc. These two guys are not in the same league as these great fighters, The klitchko brothers are scared to engage, scared to get hit afraid to lose. In my opinion until both these guys are willing to lay it on the line youll never know how good{not great} they couldve been. Its way to late for that to happen. The major sanctioning bodies are to blaim as are the networks, The fans want to see manny and mayweather and other fights but itll never happen. To risky for mayweather. I dont know maybe im the only one who thinks this way but I know Im not blind.

I can see your point, I just dont watch them because they bore me. Same if a one armed man was smart enough to box himself into a world champ position I'd watch once maybe twice to see what he has mastered in ordered to win then Id be off looking for excitement and full engagement instead of control.

Spen Okkte was the same, boring but did the job very well with limited ammo,you have to give them props but be stuffed if Im paying for it.

[Andre]

I think that was a rude welcome for a first time poster too. All over mistakenly writing 'Sad state of boxing' instead of sad state of the heavyweight division, which is what the post covers, that and hbo blowing smoke up everyones ass which is also true.

[Gandalf]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

[Kev]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

[Spicoli]

Muhammad with two m's and Wilfredo with an i

I agree on the HBO being a over stuffed hype factory pushing product. Some of these younger guys now is like watching sausage being made and served still raw and cold.

Vitali has done all asked of him. If he's complete shit its up to someone to punch him in the mouth and beat him. Who is he not fighting that he should be ?

In my opinion the Heavyweight division has always been a bit overrated and unfortunately looked at as the motor that runs the car that is boxing. Those days are very far gone, thankfully. Frankly its a large pill to swallow for many American fans in regards to the hvy division passing them by now but we need to get over it.

[Nameless]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

[Gandalf]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

And he's over 40. Most are done by their early 30's or at best mid 30's. He's quality.

[Nameless]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

And he's over 40. Most are done by their early 30's or at best mid 30's. He's quality.

He's by far one of the very best in my opinion. Unexciting, perhaps, but exciting is not a compulsory component of a great boxer.

[Master]

Vitali is probably the better of the 2 brothers, he is more durable and has a very good record. He is not the most graceful of boxers and certainly not as pleasing on the eye but he is the best out there at the moment. Yes I would love to see a peak Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and even Bowe have a go at the brothers but there is no one out there that can beat them for the foreseeable future.

[bigmike]

Sorry people for the spelling not a great proof reader,also didn't mean to come off so harsh, but being a fan you want to watch competitive fights, there are alot of good fights coming up, but you cant hate on me for saying the last two klitchko fights were horrible to say the least.You cannot compare these guys to other great heavywights They Have Never Been Tested. Sorry my option offends

[piye]

Vit and WLad are better than everyone fighting now' they are not ATG fighters and lose to most ATG fighters.

They don't win just because they are big Dimentriko, Valuev and Tyson Fury are all big and I don't see any of them having the same success as the Klits they win because they are better than everyone fighting at the moment.

But the fact that this is a weak division is beyond doubt! Haye although he lost clearly won three rounds against Wlad and was able to hurt him in the last round. Haye is a good cruiserweight and average heavyweight in all time terms he's 6'3 and fast with a poor chin, Replace him with Ali, foreman or other greats and see what happens 9 times out of ten they stop Wlad whois the better brother.

[Kev]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

[Hulk]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

You have finally lost your ever loving Hobbit mind my friend !!!

[bigmike]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

I really dont know what to say, You cant say these guys would or could beat a prime foreman, Tyson and the most underrated heavyweight Larry Holmes, who proved he could take a punch, can anyone of you guys or girls say the klitchko's punch harder than ermie shavers, or ron lyle, I watched vitale and maybe im the only one to see, but he was off balance, the hooks and uppercuts he threw were garbage. Lets say Tyson or Foreman or any other fighter had the same fighter in front of them basically a punching bag, The fight wouldnt have gone 2 rounds thats a fact. I understand that some are fans of the brothers but im not. Being the best of the worst is nothing to brag about

[greynotsoold]

I thought that the skill level in Vitali/Lewis was abysmal. That is one of the fights that hardened my heart against modern boxing, another being Mosley/DeLaHoya I. The HWs are always the least skilled division: that is why, historically, LHWs, even middles, think they can move up and beat them.
The Ks use distance well, and that is a huge part of being a good fighter. If they let a Marciano or a Louis control the range, they'd get eaten alive. The skill involved in such a fight would be the ability to maintain space vs the ability to close it. Dempsey feasted on big slow HWs so who knows. I belive that either K would have an easy night against Ali; he had trouble with a "tall" guy that jabbed (Norton) and either K is much taller and a better jabber (and fighter) than Norton.