sad state of boxing

[Andre]

I think that was a rude welcome for a first time poster too. All over mistakenly writing 'Sad state of boxing' instead of sad state of the heavyweight division, which is what the post covers, that and hbo blowing smoke up everyones ass which is also true.

[Gandalf]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

[Kev]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

[Spicoli]

Muhammad with two m's and Wilfredo with an i

I agree on the HBO being a over stuffed hype factory pushing product. Some of these younger guys now is like watching sausage being made and served still raw and cold.

Vitali has done all asked of him. If he's complete shit its up to someone to punch him in the mouth and beat him. Who is he not fighting that he should be ?

In my opinion the Heavyweight division has always been a bit overrated and unfortunately looked at as the motor that runs the car that is boxing. Those days are very far gone, thankfully. Frankly its a large pill to swallow for many American fans in regards to the hvy division passing them by now but we need to get over it.

[Nameless]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

[Gandalf]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

And he's over 40. Most are done by their early 30's or at best mid 30's. He's quality.

[Nameless]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

And he's over 40. Most are done by their early 30's or at best mid 30's. He's quality.

He's by far one of the very best in my opinion. Unexciting, perhaps, but exciting is not a compulsory component of a great boxer.

[armin]

I don't get the hate for vitali, and callin him average is just garbage I think. Call him borring, but remember when he had a willing opponent they gave us arguably the last great heavyweight title fight. Call him mediocre due to less than stellar competition, well he's not losing a single round to these guys, leads me to believe he could easily compete and beat better competition. His workrate is insane for a guy as big as him, his defense deceptively good, and a iron chin all lead me to believe he could compete with any heavy in history, but nah he's just trash...

[Master]

Vitali is probably the better of the 2 brothers, he is more durable and has a very good record. He is not the most graceful of boxers and certainly not as pleasing on the eye but he is the best out there at the moment. Yes I would love to see a peak Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and even Bowe have a go at the brothers but there is no one out there that can beat them for the foreseeable future.

[bigmike]

Sorry people for the spelling not a great proof reader,also didn't mean to come off so harsh, but being a fan you want to watch competitive fights, there are alot of good fights coming up, but you cant hate on me for saying the last two klitchko fights were horrible to say the least.You cannot compare these guys to other great heavywights They Have Never Been Tested. Sorry my option offends

[Rantcatrat]

Sorry people for the spelling not a great proof reader,also didn't mean to come off so harsh, but being a fan you want to watch competitive fights, there are alot of good fights coming up, but you cant hate on me for saying the last two klitchko fights were horrible to say the least.You cannot compare these guys to other great heavywights They Have Never Been Tested. Sorry my option offends

When was the last fight you saw Floyd in that was competitive? How many ATG's or even HOF's has he beat?

[piye]

Vit and WLad are better than everyone fighting now' they are not ATG fighters and lose to most ATG fighters.

They don't win just because they are big Dimentriko, Valuev and Tyson Fury are all big and I don't see any of them having the same success as the Klits they win because they are better than everyone fighting at the moment.

But the fact that this is a weak division is beyond doubt! Haye although he lost clearly won three rounds against Wlad and was able to hurt him in the last round. Haye is a good cruiserweight and average heavyweight in all time terms he's 6'3 and fast with a poor chin, Replace him with Ali, foreman or other greats and see what happens 9 times out of ten they stop Wlad whois the better brother.

[Mr140]

Piye quick question how do you place Tyson then because he was in a weak division when he was king and never beat a atg heavyweight in prime. I mean how think he do in atg match ups because his reign was not as long as brothers and he lost almost every time he step in ring with a great. So does that mean he loses to most atg then just like the bothers did or does he some how get a pass. I mean Wald has a bad chin but Vitali can box well use distance well and has one of the best chins to ever be in heavyweight division.

[Kev]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

[Hulk]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

You have finally lost your ever loving Hobbit mind my friend !!!