sad state of boxing

[Nameless]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

And he's over 40. Most are done by their early 30's or at best mid 30's. He's quality.

He's by far one of the very best in my opinion. Unexciting, perhaps, but exciting is not a compulsory component of a great boxer.

[Kev]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

[Hulk]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

You have finally lost your ever loving Hobbit mind my friend !!!

[armin]

I don't get the hate for vitali, and callin him average is just garbage I think. Call him borring, but remember when he had a willing opponent they gave us arguably the last great heavyweight title fight. Call him mediocre due to less than stellar competition, well he's not losing a single round to these guys, leads me to believe he could easily compete and beat better competition. His workrate is insane for a guy as big as him, his defense deceptively good, and a iron chin all lead me to believe he could compete with any heavy in history, but nah he's just trash...

[Dave Hughey]

Haye and Adamek put the lie to those posters who keep calling the HW division weak. They are good fighters and would have had a fair chance fighting any of the boys in the "Golden Age" of boxing. But against the Klits they don't have the ghost of a chance. The question is, has there ever been, or will there ever be, a fighter that the Klits couldn't handle?

[Mr140]

Why is comparing Vitali to Foreman so bad lets take a good look at Georges career. He lost to a old Ali and was fucking rope a doped not to many fighters have been that stupid. Then in his prime he fucking loses to a so so fighter in Young. What the fuck would George do to Vitali because going for the ko was a prime Foremans thing but Vitali has the best chin in history damn near so eh i don't know would be good. Now i know we favor old fighters but sometimes i think we get to carried away i do it with Leonard and Holyfeild all the time though.

[Mr140]

Now i am not saying Foreman was not a great heavy because he was but i can not stand the hate the brothers get its just stupid and to hate Vitali who is the more exciting one is even worse i do not get it.

[Kev]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

You have finally lost your ever loving Hobbit mind my friend !!!

Ok then if he's so easy to beat then break down the fights for us and tell us who beats him and how?

Given that he has lost less rounds than any other heavyweight in history, has a higher Ko percentage of any heavyweight champ in history, has never been dropped and has a significant size, height and reach advantage over every previous great then explain how a prime Vitali is so easy to beat?

Reember he is now 40 years old and still winning every single round of every single fight he is in and fighting the best challenges available to him.

Foreman at that age was losing most rounds of his fights. When he fought Moorer people were moaning he was undeserving of the shot having just come off a loss. He was losing that fight emphatically until he caught Moorer and polaxed him. Vitali would have beat the snot out Moorer just like he has everybody else.

[Hulk]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

You have finally lost your ever loving Hobbit mind my friend !!!

Ok then if he's so easy to beat then break down the fights for us and tell us who beats him and how?

Given that he has lost less rounds than any other heavyweight in history, has a higher Ko percentage of any heavyweight champ in history, has never been dropped and has a significant size, height and reach advantage over every previous great then explain how a prime Vitali is so easy to beat?

Reember he is now 40 years old and still winning every single round of every single fight he is in and fighting the best challenges available to him.

Foreman at that age was losing most rounds of his fights. When he fought Moorer people were moaning he was undeserving of the shot having just come off a loss. He was losing that fight emphatically until he caught Moorer and polaxed him. Vitali would have beat the snot out Moorer just like he has everybody else.

I never said he was "so easy to beat". BUT there is a HUGE MONUMENTAL GAP between Vitali being hard to beat for today's fighters and him being the odds on favorite to beat the greatest heavyweights of all time. That is absolutely delusional nonsense.

Moorer was a more talented and better fighter than ANYONE Vitali has ever beaten. ANYONE.

WHO has Vitali beaten that makes you think he could beat a prime George Foreman or a prime Lennox Lewis, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, or Tyson ?

For Christ Sakes on Vitali's best night and Lennox's worst night, the man still lost. And contrary to what some crazy judges had it, Vitali was losing that fight. It was close, but he should not have been up on the cards.

The man isn't the greatest, he's just the latest in a sad division.

[Master]

Vitali is probably the better of the 2 brothers, he is more durable and has a very good record. He is not the most graceful of boxers and certainly not as pleasing on the eye but he is the best out there at the moment. Yes I would love to see a peak Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis and even Bowe have a go at the brothers but there is no one out there that can beat them for the foreseeable future.

[Kev]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

You have finally lost your ever loving Hobbit mind my friend !!!

Ok then if he's so easy to beat then break down the fights for us and tell us who beats him and how?

Given that he has lost less rounds than any other heavyweight in history, has a higher Ko percentage of any heavyweight champ in history, has never been dropped and has a significant size, height and reach advantage over every previous great then explain how a prime Vitali is so easy to beat?

Reember he is now 40 years old and still winning every single round of every single fight he is in and fighting the best challenges available to him.

Foreman at that age was losing most rounds of his fights. When he fought Moorer people were moaning he was undeserving of the shot having just come off a loss. He was losing that fight emphatically until he caught Moorer and polaxed him. Vitali would have beat the snot out Moorer just like he has everybody else.

I never said he was "so easy to beat". BUT there is a HUGE MONUMENTAL GAP between Vitali being hard to beat for today's fighters and him being the odds on favorite to beat the greatest heavyweights of all time. That is absolutely delusional nonsense.

Moorer was a more talented and better fighter than ANYONE Vitali has ever beaten. ANYONE.

WHO has Vitali beaten that makes you think he could beat a prime George Foreman or a prime Lennox Lewis, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, or Tyson ?

For Christ Sakes on Vitali's best night and Lennox's worst night, the man still lost. And contrary to what some crazy judges had it, Vitali was losing that fight. It was close, but he should not have been up on the cards.

The man isn't the greatest, he's just the latest in a sad division.

I didn't say he was the greatest. I'm just saying that if a mythical tournament was made he would be my practical bet.

And it wasn't Lewis's worst night. His worst nights were getting starched by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall, just like Foreman's worst night was being rope a doped and KO'd by Ali, who himself lost a fair share of fights, and almost lost others.

If the small cruiserweightish Henry Cooper could almost beat Ali then the massive Vitali is likely to have had a great punchers chance no?

Like I say, if I had to pick my top 3 fighters to win the whole thing Vitali is right up there. I think I'd go with Lewis, Vitali, Foreman if all fighters were in their primes.

[Hulk]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

Add to that the fact that Vitali has the highest ko rating in the history of the HW division. That should speak volume by itself, you can't be talentless and ko around 97% of your opponents, something must be done correctly in there.

His record is one of the greatest in the history of the sport.

Only 3 people have ever gone the distance with him. Two of those he was over 38 years old.

In his three points wins he won every single round on every single card, aside from one blip where he won on one judges card by 'only 120-109'.

Never knocked down.

His only single legit defeat against Lennox lewis, an unquestionable all time great, and he was winning that fight to the extent that Lewis immediately retired.

If you had a mythical all time tournament with every great heavyweight in it he'd have to be a top 5 pick to win the whole thing, to be honest he'd be my first pick as unlike every other heavyweight nobody has ever beaten him, his only losses coming on a cut, and a shoulder injury in a fight he was dominating.

You have finally lost your ever loving Hobbit mind my friend !!!

Ok then if he's so easy to beat then break down the fights for us and tell us who beats him and how?

Given that he has lost less rounds than any other heavyweight in history, has a higher Ko percentage of any heavyweight champ in history, has never been dropped and has a significant size, height and reach advantage over every previous great then explain how a prime Vitali is so easy to beat?

Reember he is now 40 years old and still winning every single round of every single fight he is in and fighting the best challenges available to him.

Foreman at that age was losing most rounds of his fights. When he fought Moorer people were moaning he was undeserving of the shot having just come off a loss. He was losing that fight emphatically until he caught Moorer and polaxed him. Vitali would have beat the snot out Moorer just like he has everybody else.

I never said he was "so easy to beat". BUT there is a HUGE MONUMENTAL GAP between Vitali being hard to beat for today's fighters and him being the odds on favorite to beat the greatest heavyweights of all time. That is absolutely delusional nonsense.

Moorer was a more talented and better fighter than ANYONE Vitali has ever beaten. ANYONE.

WHO has Vitali beaten that makes you think he could beat a prime George Foreman or a prime Lennox Lewis, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, or Tyson ?

For Christ Sakes on Vitali's best night and Lennox's worst night, the man still lost. And contrary to what some crazy judges had it, Vitali was losing that fight. It was close, but he should not have been up on the cards.

The man isn't the greatest, he's just the latest in a sad division.

I didn't say he was the greatest. I'm just saying that if a mythical tournament was made he would be my practical bet.

And it wasn't Lewis's worst night. His worst nights were getting starched by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall, just like Foreman's worst night was being rope a doped and KO'd by Ali, who himself lost a fair share of fights, and almost lost others.

If the small cruiserweightish Henry Cooper could almost beat Ali then the massive Vitali is likely to have had a great punchers chance no?

Like I say, if I had to pick my top 3 fighters to win the whole thing Vitali is right up there. I think I'd go with Lewis, Vitali, Foreman if all fighters were in their primes.

Bilbo you are giving Vitali far too much credit. Him and Wlad are the best in the dismal post-Lewis era, but in the land of the blind the man with one eye is king.

That doesn't mean that a man with two eyes wouldn't still kick his big goofy one eyed ass

And Foreman's worst night was probably losing to Jimmy Young. Then having a near death experience in the locker room.

Vitali has size and skills and knows how to use them, but he is also scared to get hit. Not nearly as much so as Wlad, but watch the Corrie Sanders fight with Vitali and you will see how he reacts every time he is hit hard.

I would pick a prime Riddick Bowe to beat him, as Bowe was actually an athlete and a real boxer.

Now, people who say Marciano or Dempsey could beat either Klitschko are crazy, because they were simply too small and one dimensional.

Holmes, Ali, Foreman, Bowe, Lewis were all at least 6'3" and a hell of a lot better than Adamek. Tyson would really have to reach to blast Vitali in the face, but I bet he would slip his way inside and chop Vitali down.

I've finally come to accept that there is no one right now who can beat the Klits, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to worship them as all time greats as so many are now doing.

JFAT alliance Bilbo...

[bigmike]

Sorry people for the spelling not a great proof reader,also didn't mean to come off so harsh, but being a fan you want to watch competitive fights, there are alot of good fights coming up, but you cant hate on me for saying the last two klitchko fights were horrible to say the least.You cannot compare these guys to other great heavywights They Have Never Been Tested. Sorry my option offends

[Rantcatrat]

It is an appalling first post. Vitali Klistschko is an exceptional fighter. He doesn't lose rounds and the only way to beat him is to get lucky with an injury or a cut and that is bound to happen with the big men occasionally. Vitali has destroyed pretty much everyone. He was beating byrd decisively at the point of stoppage and was beating Lewis too.

He is a quality fighter and it is easy to criticise and say what he does wrong, but perhaps his flaws are also some of his strengths. It is isn't as easy to fight him as it seems from an armchair. Every opponent finds that out. Haye would get a pound down. Savagely.

I agree with Miles. The reason most experts believe Vitali is one of most difficult to beat fighter ever is simply because he is.

Anyone who thinks Joe luis, Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey could have beaten up Vitali and Wlad is a moron imo. Yes their size is a huge asset, but it's size combined with meticulous training, always being in perfect condition, discipline and the mastery of a perfect fighting style to match their physcial attributes.

They would rise to the top in any era. They may not be risk takers, and so prefer to break down their opponents slowly and methodically but they are still exceptionally difficult to beat.

How many fighters have lost less rounds in their entire career than Vitali Klitschko?

He's probably lost less rounds in his career than any other fighter of the last 30 years, maybe ever. If you disagree challenge me on it and name somebody.

For once, I agree with Miles and Bilbo at the same time. The Klitschkos would be at the top of the division in any era. Bar none. They use their advantages as does every fighter out there.

[Rantcatrat]

Sorry people for the spelling not a great proof reader,also didn't mean to come off so harsh, but being a fan you want to watch competitive fights, there are alot of good fights coming up, but you cant hate on me for saying the last two klitchko fights were horrible to say the least.You cannot compare these guys to other great heavywights They Have Never Been Tested. Sorry my option offends

When was the last fight you saw Floyd in that was competitive? How many ATG's or even HOF's has he beat?