Mosque Loud Speakers

[El Kabong]

I think it's even more arrogant to think that in our current form we'll even come close to comprehending the physical science of creation and whatever came before it.

Until Science (if science...) can be used to explain how all matter and energy came from nothingness - there is no definite proof of there being no higher power.

But there is NOTHING to suggest the existence of any higher 'creator' and certainly in none of the biblical senses of the term.

Science is making impressive progress. Religion has made no headway in 2000 years, the same empty arguments backed up by nothing. No facts, no evidence. Nothing.

Miles you're confusing belief in religion with belief in God...once again those things aren't mutually exclusive.

[Gandalf]

I think it's even more arrogant to think that in our current form we'll even come close to comprehending the physical science of creation and whatever came before it.

Until Science (if science...) can be used to explain how all matter and energy came from nothingness - there is no definite proof of there being no higher power.

But there is NOTHING to suggest the existence of any higher 'creator' and certainly in none of the biblical senses of the term.

Science is making impressive progress. Religion has made no headway in 2000 years, the same empty arguments backed up by nothing. No facts, no evidence. Nothing.

Miles you're confusing belief in religion with belief in God...once again those things aren't mutually exclusive.

They are not synonymous terms at all, but people who believe in religions typically believe in a father figure type of god. If you don't believe in that then you generally push towards a more reasoned means of trying to understand the universe. In which case you are moving more beyond god and an acceptance that god has next to nothing to do with humanity nor our futile little quest on an insignificant little planet. That is where science and a more reasoned approach to understanding comes into play and the way science is heading it is pretty much leaning towards a greater understanding of everything. We can cure cancers, analyse black holes and create sheep in a lab. Science is making all the moves and ultimately our understanding will come from scientific research. There can be no other way of furthering knowledge. Abstract musings count for little when accurate research can tell us so much more.