No ones fault but Floyds!!!

[Riggs]

First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeare
d to me to be classic Floyd and he
was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit
move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped
back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made
a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was the equvilent of someone checkin
out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and
then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was
lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted
and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how
anyone could say this was anyone but Floyds fault.

YAWWWWWWN!!!!! Don't talk rubbish - fight on means fight on - 2 people to blame Ortiz for cheating and Cortez for not having any control. Done!

What Floyd did was a sneaky but
legal move. It's just that he did not give Ortiz a chance to be ready to fight. He accepted a hug just to dished out a sucker punch when they have barely separated.
Technically, what Floyd did is not wrong. But if you are looking for a fair fight between two protagonist ready to fight, then you did not get it
in that final two punches.

Mmmmm debatable - there's a good second and a half (long time in boxing) after the YET ANOTHER pointless 'hug' where they're good to go! I wanted a good fight as a neutral but Ortiz got what he deserved!....his last headbutt could've finished the fight also. Cortez should be the one being questioned!

[InTheNeutralCorner]

First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeare
d to me to be classic Floyd and he
was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit
move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped
back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made
a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was the equvilent of someone checkin
out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and
then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was
lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted
and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how
anyone could say this was anyone but Floyds fault.

YAWWWWWWN!!!!! Don't talk rubbish - fight on means fight on - 2 people to blame Ortiz for cheating and Cortez for not having any control. Done!

What Floyd did was a sneaky but
legal move. It's just that he did not give Ortiz a chance to be ready to fight. He accepted a hug just to dished out a sucker punch when they have barely separated.
Technically, what Floyd did is not wrong. But if you are looking for a fair fight between two protagonist ready to fight, then you did not get it
in that final two punches.

Mmmmm debatable - there's a good second and a half (long time in boxing) after the YET ANOTHER pointless 'hug' where they're good to go! I wanted a good fight as a neutral but Ortiz got what he deserved!....his last headbutt could've finished the fight also. Cortez should be the one being questioned!

Let's say that while they are separating after that hug, it's Ortiz who sucker punched Mayweather and hit him again so that Floyd can not get up from the count. Would that have been acceptable to you? It isn't acceptable to me for any of them throwing such punch at that point.

Floyd has been calling himself the best. That's no way for the best fighter on the planet to win. He did it to a heavy underdog. Mayweather won the fight legally but should he be proud of the way that he won that fight?

[Riggs]

[QUOTE=InTheNeutralCorner;1010519]

First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters
were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeare
d to me to be classic Floyd and he
was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit
move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped
back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his
feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made
a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was
the equvilent of someone checkin
out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and
then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz
is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was
lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted
and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the
second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how
anyone could say this was anyone but Floyds fault.[/QUOTE

YAWWWWWWN!!!!! Don't talk rubbish - fight on means fight on - 2 people to blame Ortiz for cheating and Cortez for not having any control. Done!

What Floyd did was a sneaky but
legal move. It's just that he did not
give Ortiz a chance to be ready to fight. He accepted a hug just to dished out a sucker punch when they have barely separated.
Technically, what Floyd did is not wrong. But if you are looking for a fair fight between two protagonist ready to fight, then you did not get it
in that final two punches.

Mmmmm debatable - there's a good second and a half (long time in boxing) after the YET ANOTHER pointless 'hug' where they're good to go! I wanted a good fight as a
neutral but Ortiz got what he deserved!....his last headbutt could've finished the fight also. Cortez should be the one being questioned!

Let's say that while they are separating after that hug, it's Ortiz
who sucker punched Mayweather and hit him again so that Floyd can not get up from the count. Would that have been acceptable to you? It isn't acceptable to me for any of them throwing such punch at that point.

Floyd has been calling himself the best. That's no way for the best fighter on the planet to win. He did it to a heavy underdog. Mayweather won the fight legally but should he be proud of the way that he won that fight?

Ok you make a valid point - I guess the main issue I have is that I think Cortez should be held accountable for not protecting fighter - which is a refs number one remit! I don't think its an issue whether the fighter was underdog or not..... As much as I can't stand FMJ the man - I still can't
really blame him for what he did after all the illegal headbutts.

[cambay411]

I cant believe people blame Ortiz for that, it dont make sense. Every person in this world is accountable for there own actions! I understand what Ortiz did is wrong but Floyd being Floyd he shouldnt have done that. He should have kept his composure and acted liket he champ he is. And would I think like this if it was Ortiz that sucker punched Floyd? Hell yeah I would. Its a hollow victory now. The fight was just getting started and no one will ever now how it COULD have ended. Now no one knows if Floyd did that cause he was uncomfortable in the fight and wanted it to end, was just pissed, or scaired to lose or whatever. From the outside looking in it looked like a cheap way out. I know Floyd isnt scared of Ortiz but he may be scared to lose that undefeated record. I know he was pretty much in control of the fight but what Ortiz was doing had nothin to do with what he did. Really Floyd took a chance at being disqualified. He was ethier pissed and just wanted to KO ortiz or wanted a way out. Those seem like the only two things thst coulda been goin threw his head. No ones fault but Floyds people. So if I sucker punch my nieghbor its his fault cause his dog pissed in my yard a few times? No its on me bro. Floyd is the seasoned vet in this fight and he knows exactly what is going on in his fights more so than anyone else. Floyds never done it before why now? Im sure hes been head butted a few times. He shouldnt have did that ya'll bottom line. He still had a good performance other than that. Still looked like Floyd. I just dont understand how people blame the ref or Ortiz for Floyds action. This is basic life stuff I was taught growing up. I am responsible for my own actions and I have to face the conseguences of my actions.

[p4pking]

I really see it as almost entirely Ortiz's fault. He basically had lost the plot by the time he threw that headbutt, I feel it was just a matter of time before he found his own way out given those antics. He headbutts Floyd blatantly, like cartoon style, then goes way out of his way trying to hug and make up, rather than just touch gloves once as is the norm(and which they did, before Ortiz goes in for another hug). I feel it was a punk move by Mayweather, but completely legal and somewhat understandable given the nature of the butt. It sucks that we didn't get to see a good fight, but I really doubt Ortiz would have given us much more entertainment regardless. If this had been two lessser name fighters on an undercard I imagine people would just say "oh yeah that was badass".

[TitoFan]

I've made it pretty well known here that I don't like Floyd Mayweather. Don't like his attitude in and out of the ring... personally thinks he's done his share of ducking, while taking care of his precious "0"... and has been in some downright BORING fights.

But here's where I distance myself from being just a Floyd-hater. Last night was nobody's fault but Victor "WTF Were You Thinking" Ortiz himself.

First, he launches himself like a missile at Floyd's chin. Probably the most obvious headbutt I've ever seen. THEN... not content with kissing and hugging Floyd the first time... he goes to do it a SECOND time. AFTER Joe Cortes had given the "go-ahead" to continue fighting. Floyd, obviously still pissed about the headbutt, connects with a good left hook.... but not quite a knockout punch. So Victor "Rocket Scientist" Ortiz, with HIS HANDS STILL DOWN, looks over at Cortes as if to whine: "Floyd hit me." So Mayweather does the only thing he CAN do. He hits him with a right and knocks him out.

Conclusions:
1. Victor came off like the village idiot. Hey kid.... save the "I love you man" shit for Bud Light commercials. You're in a boxing match, not "Blind Date".

2. Why all the hate for Cortes (as usual)? He promptly took a well-deserved point off Ortiz... then motioned them to continue fighting. How was HE to know Ortiz still wanted some "kissie-poo" from Floyd? Cortes was just as taken by surprise as the rest of us.

3. Did Floyd deprive us fans from a good fight? Sure. But it was hardly his fault. He's a fighter and he's being paid to try to win. He saw an opening... he took it. It wasn't the most sportsman-like thing to do, but remember... he had just gotten the mother of all headbutts. No amount of smooching from Ortiz was going to fix his broken lip.


And while I'm at it.... what about the Merchant incident? What a riot !! That was almost as good as the fight itself. Again... I'm not applauding what Mayweather did. But it's painfully obvious the guy is carrying a giant chip on his shoulder when it comes to the press and their criticism of him. So when Merchant put him in a corner, Floyd lashed out. Was it right? Probably not. But it's probably not that difficult to go off at old Larry. He's (Larry) probably saying to himself, "Hell... I don't need this shit. I could be sitting in a bar somewhere downing scotch-and-sodas."

Finally, it's too bad the fight ended like this. But I put the blame squarely on Ortiz's very childish and immature shoulders.

[cambay411]

I like Floyd and I love the way he fights, I like Ortiz and love the way he fights too. I just dont see why ethier fighter did what they did really. It ruined what was a good fight totally. Honestly I think Floyd is more to blame. Each fighter is responsible for their own actions. Its Floyds own fault he decided to end the fight like that.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

To be honest. I stopped reading when the OP got to ''Cortez didn't say fight''.

[cambay411]

He didnt say fight he said lets go. I just think its crazy to totally count ortiz out that fight lol, I mean Floyd is still the man and he was winnin the fight but ortiz was fightin the right fight by bein patient and tryin to counter. Just cause Floyd was touchin him with straight rights doesnt mean Ortiz was gettin destroyed lol damn I know straight rights are hard to land but shit. And really I dont take anything away from ethier fighter I just dont see all the hate for Ortiz. No matter how you look at the fight was unfinished. Fighters have came back in fights from way worse down than what Ortiz was. Someone on here told me I lack basic boxing knowledge lol but they also tried to say Ortiz had no chance to win the fight. Basic boxing knowledge includes knowing you should never give up in a fight cause in a fight anything can happen at any time. What if Ortiz would have connected with that one good shot in the 5th and Floyd never recovered which lead to an Ortiz UD win? Or Ortiz knocked him out (as unlikely it is that Floyd would get hit lol). Im not even goin to think about or argue about which fighter deserved what or which is the dirtier fighter cause that dont even really matter, but its pretty safe to say the fight was unfinished, and they should rematch after the pac fight. Think about it even if (when) Floyd beats Pac, this fight will hang over his head. He gonna have to fight him again.