In case anyone cares, Pirog comes out of obscurity to fight again this weekend

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Haven't seen a few of those guys Rant.. But would you give anyone a realistic chance to beat Martinez? That's a pretty crucial element of a strong division, and I think Martinez is bounds above everyone else even though not as great as people think imo. Sure as hell couldn't see Sturm Barker or MAcklin having a hope.. I mean I'd put Mayweather as a favourite over anyone currently fighting there save for Martinez, and I don't think he belongs at 154 let alone 60.. Hell I'd give Cotto a decent chance to win a strap moving up and he's a blown up Junior welterweight with a lot of wear on him. Considering what a great middleweight can/should be, I think the division is definetly crap.

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Haven't seen a few of those guys Rant.. But would you give anyone a realistic chance to beat Martinez? That's a pretty crucial element of a strong division, and I think Martinez is bounds above everyone else even though not as great as people think imo. Sure as hell couldn't see Sturm Barker or MAcklin having a hope.. I mean I'd put Mayweather as a favourite over anyone currently fighting there save for Martinez, and I don't think he belongs at 154 let alone 60.. Hell I'd give Cotto a decent chance to win a strap moving up and he's a blown up Junior welterweight with a lot of wear on him. Considering what a great middleweight can/should be, I think the division is definetly crap.

Yea, that's the thing, the whole middleweight division is in Europe so you probably haven't heard of them. Proksa is flashy. Golovkin is an Olympian champ and the real deal. N'Jikam is the best French fighter in a while. Sturm is an established champion. It's a decent division really. It's just none of the best guys are American.