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    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    I agree with the below statement mentioned
    "I have no problem with acknowledging that JC is the 3rd-5th best SM ever, behind Bhop, RJJ, Sugar Ray etc,"
    As also said joes fitness was amazing and he was a great boxer but i still will never put him in front of the greatest and thats a prime RJJ.
    joe and frank could have made a catchweight with him at anytime but he did not..RJJ was the best during these eras and easily played with future hall of famers hopkins and detroits finest james toney.

    He took risks and went out of his comfort zone and weight class many times and proved he was a p4p
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    Joe was and is a great champion it definately proves that just cause your undefeated dont mean your the greatest..and that goes to floyd as well.
    Long live RJJ, Ali and..and the best of all things british...nigel benn
    Sugar Ray Leonard was not a great super middleweight. He would have got beaten by Joe Galzaghe, Toney and Roy Jones.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    I agree with the below statement mentioned
    "I have no problem with acknowledging that JC is the 3rd-5th best SM ever, behind Bhop, RJJ, Sugar Ray etc,"
    As also said joes fitness was amazing and he was a great boxer but i still will never put him in front of the greatest and thats a prime RJJ.
    joe and frank could have made a catchweight with him at anytime but he did not..RJJ was the best during these eras and easily played with future hall of famers hopkins and detroits finest james toney.

    He took risks and went out of his comfort zone and weight class many times and proved he was a p4p
    champ!
    Joe was and is a great champion it definately proves that just cause your undefeated dont mean your the greatest..and that goes to floyd as well.
    Long live RJJ, Ali and..and the best of all things british...nigel benn
    Sugar Ray Leonard was not a great super middleweight. He would have got beaten by Joe Galzaghe, Toney and Roy Jones.
    That was my post, not imps lol.
    I acknowledge he would be giving up a lot to move up to SM, but he was a class act was Sugar, I dont think you can say all three would have beaten him, he would have decisioned one or two of them.

    The difference being we know what Suagar Ray was capable of, but we dont know what JC could have done because he didnt do it.

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    One thing i love about ricky hatton he wasnt afraid to go overseas to fight the best..in his prime.

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    RJJ would've won nearly every round against JC IMO, but u can't say RJJ took risks with a straight face. Ruiz was a very calculated risk, other that what risks did he take? Going to Germany to fight Michaelchevski would've been a risk, but American fighters are immune for the criticism that British fighters are subject too, when not travelling to win or unify belts.

    RJJ is top 10 p4p all time IMO, but a risk taker he was not and a good resume he does not have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    RJJ would've won nearly every round against JC IMO, but u can't say RJJ took risks with a straight face. Ruiz was a very calculated risk, other that what risks did he take? Going to Germany to fight Michaelchevski would've been a risk, but American fighters are immune for the criticism that British fighters are subject too, when not travelling to win or unify belts.

    RJJ is top 10 p4p all time IMO, but a risk taker he was not and a good resume he does not have.
    Joe was great in his own right and I refuse these days to rule him out against anybody in terms of a straight up matchup, Joe has the confidence and intangibles coupled with a ridiculous self belief. He had a decent chin and great work rate and that is a strong equalizer.

    I wouldnt mind seeing Calzaghe these days if he was a few years younger

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    Thank's JT Rock it seem's to me Joe doe's get's a lot of stick, and i do think he has done a lot for boxing it a bit like Floyd some love some hate. The more people get into boxing the better it's good for us as fan's and good for the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dia bando View Post
    Thank's JT Rock it seem's to me Joe doe's get's a lot of stick, and i do think he has done a lot for boxing it a bit like Floyd some love some hate. The more people get into boxing the better it's good for us as fan's and good for the sport.
    I used to slag off Calzaghe until he beat my boy Lacy down. I think he gets the flack from not fighting Jones and Hopkins until they are old. But hey aside from that he was a great champion did his thing and got out at the right time.

    Now he prefers a bit of blow instead of Boxing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dia bando View Post
    Thank's JT Rock it seem's to me Joe doe's get's a lot of stick, and i do think he has done a lot for boxing it a bit like Floyd some love some hate. The more people get into boxing the better it's good for us as fan's and good for the sport.
    Ok let's not get carried away. I can understand you being a big fan. Even a groupie. That's fine. But seriously what the fuck has Joe Calzaghe ever done for the sport of boxing? The man has always put his own interests first. Do I blame him for it? No. But facts are facts.

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    I like your response big h..but when your at the top of tree any fight is a risk.
    Rjj took far more risks than joe..multi weight divison champion..and p4p number one for numerous years.

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    Hopkins, toney, harding, griffin,Johnson, ruiz etc..nah no risks
    there..
    Did joe even beat robin reid??
    Sorry, joe dont do rematches!!?

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    I genuinely don't think JC's resume is any worse than B-Hop's (20 defences at MW) or RJJ's, fact is none if them ever went into a fight that they were expected to lose ( except maybe JC vs Kessler and Lacy)

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    Jc is def a pure boxer and a great one at that and would compete in any era!
    I just think he is 2nd to roy..a great 2nd.

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    Well i not sure if i rank Jones at smw he was Lhw for most of his career so i have Calzaghe there right now at the top spot. I mean i rate fighter at were they stayed for most of there career but i see the point.

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    Glen johnson fight would have been just like, the Lacy fight a painfull beating there is not a lot to Johnson he's slow,Froch beat him easy and Carl's not fast Joe's record will be hard to beat

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