Lyle Fitzimmons alledges Joe Fraizer does NOT belong in the Hall of Fame

[Hulk]

Many would argue that Joe Fraizer should have won the second fight with Ali as well.

So he lost to Ali and George Foreman ?

Other than that he beat everyone else in his era. That is surely hall of fame worthy.

A lot more deserving than Ingemar Johanson may he R.I.P.

[RohanKnight]

I think one of the only real things you can say against JF is that his style of absorbing opponents punches meant he was destined for a short career, so that some time after 30 years of age that would catch up with him and he'd need to start fighting once a year (Jack Dempsey style) or fight old timers (Marciano did that late on) to lengthen his title reign. Otherwise sharp guys like Holmes would have wrecked him.

Just looking at the guys he annihilated -

Olympic Championship finalists
Jimmy Ellis!
Bob Foster!! the man himself!
Quarry! CHuvalo!

who the hell would crush all them in the past 20 years? Tyson maybe.

[Hulk]

I think one of the only real things you can say against JF is that his style of absorbing opponents punches meant he was destined for a short career, so that some time after 30 years of age that would catch up with him and he'd need to start fighting once a year (Jack Dempsey style) or fight old timers (Marciano did that late on) to lengthen his title reign. Otherwise sharp guys like Holmes would have wrecked him.

Just looking at the guys he annihilated -

Olympic Championship finalists
Jimmy Ellis!
Bob Foster!! the man himself!
Quarry! CHuvalo!

who the hell would crush all them in the past 20 years? Tyson maybe.

Yeah Bob Foster was just way too small. He got it BAD. REAL BAD.

[Mr140]

Brockton how the fuck are you going to forget about Harry Greb most people have him top 10 atg. I mean Gene Tunney lost to him once and went on to win a lot more against him. Also he did not just beat Jack, Gene Tunney won almost every single round he fought against him. So beating a top 10 atg and atg heavyweight is nothing, not to mention being the LHW and HW champ and avenging his only lose as well. Anyhow on Joe Frazier i think he deserves his spot and only lost to great heavies and beat everyone else.

[Beanz]

Fitzimmons is a Scamboogah

[greynotsoold]

Fitzsimmons is spot on. Too bad he didn't include Johannsson, McGuigan, and (one of my all time favorites) Little Red Lopez. I can't even make much argument for Billy Graham and Fritzie Zivic (two more of my favorites) being in there. Or Sonny Liston or Floyd Patterson, or Jersey Joe Walcott. And just wait until Gatti and Ward and Jessie James Leija get inducted, and they will since they have, I believe, mandatory annual induction numbers.

[brocktonblockbust]

[THE THIRD MAN]

What people are forgetting is that back in the 70's the Heavyweight Champion Of The World was known world wide as a sporting identity. Ask your average man in the street today this question "who is Vitali Klitschko"? The answer will not come as easily as the look of bewilderment you will get for asking it. Anybody interested in sport knew who Ali was, they also knew who Joe Frazier was, who George Foreman was. The Madison Square Garden fight with Ali was probably the most anticipated fight in history, it was also a world wide sporting event, so was the Rumble In the Jungle. You didn't have to be a boxing fan to know who these guys were. Joe Frazier was a sporting personality not only in the ring, but out of it. Just who was Ali taunting all those years? Frazier had some great wins, he was undefeated and was the first man to beat Ali. He lost to big George in 1973, tell me who wouldn't have on that night? This unnecessary criticism of Joe Frazier is puzzling, he is from a different era, an era when being the Heavyweight Champion Of The World actually meant something.

[Mars_ax]

Who the fuck is Lyle Fitzimmons? If Joe Frazier doesn't deserve to be in the BHOF, then 80% of the inductees don't either, Lyle Fitzimmons is an idiot.

[ICB]

Many would argue that Joe Fraizer should have won the second fight with Ali as well.

So he lost to Ali and George Foreman ?

Other than that he beat everyone else in his era. That is surely hall of fame worthy.

A lot more deserving than Ingemar Johanson may he R.I.P.

Hulk i don't know if you've seen 2nd fight bro, but Muhammad Ali clearly outboxed Joe Frazier in the 2nd fight. Not taking anything away from Joe Frazier i love the guy as a fighter, just saying that's all.

[Hulk]

Many would argue that Joe Fraizer should have won the second fight with Ali as well.

So he lost to Ali and George Foreman ?

Other than that he beat everyone else in his era. That is surely hall of fame worthy.

A lot more deserving than Ingemar Johanson may he R.I.P.

Hulk i don't know if you've seen 2nd fight bro, but Muhammad Ali clearly outboxed Joe Frazier in the 2nd fight. Not taking anything away from Joe Frazier i love the guy as a fighter, just saying that's all.

Haven't watched the whole thing no. But, my Dad always says Fraizer got screwed on that decision.

[Master]

Many would argue that Joe Fraizer should have won the second fight with Ali as well.

So he lost to Ali and George Foreman ?

Other than that he beat everyone else in his era. That is surely hall of fame worthy.

A lot more deserving than Ingemar Johanson may he R.I.P.

Hulk i don't know if you've seen 2nd fight bro, but Muhammad Ali clearly outboxed Joe Frazier in the 2nd fight. Not taking anything away from Joe Frazier i love the guy as a fighter, just saying that's all.

Haven't watched the whole thing no. But, my Dad always says Fraizer got screwed on that decision.

Ali won easily in fact he could have stopped Frazier early but somehow the ref stopped the attack for some reason. The only controversy was that Ali was allowed to hold all fight and lean on Frasier which counted against Joe. The fight was not exciting as a result.