Doctor's Report on Hopkins

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Looks like he wasn't faking

Boxing - Bernard Hopkins Update


Wonder how Dawson feels now after making himself look like a prick after the fight. Hopkins WILL get his rematch and show Dawson how "gangter" he is I guess.

Sorry, but I don't buy it, it's well known that x-rays can be read a number of different ways, and it's also well known that you can get a "Doctor" to "confirm" just about anything. My guess is, Hopkins had a bruised shoulder and could have continued, but being the con that he really is, he thought he could win by a DQ.

Just like every profession, there are always those bad apples in the batch. But in a high profile case such as this, the doctor would not confirm that diagnosis if it isn't backed by any work-up, whether it's laboratory or radiologic (x-rays). He knows his findings will be under media scrunity & he has a reputation and a license to protect.

Just saying, the Dr might not be crooked, but x-rays of this type can be read a number of different ways, there's a gray area.. comprende? My "diagnosis" is Hop tried to pull a con, and it failed, and furthermore, fuck Hopkins.

In an x-ray, there is no gray area with regards to diagnosing a dislocation. They can ask for different views of the same shoulder and it will either be dislocated or it isn't.

[Mars_ax]

Sorry, but I don't buy it, it's well known that x-rays can be read a number of different ways, and it's also well known that you can get a "Doctor" to "confirm" just about anything. My guess is, Hopkins had a bruised shoulder and could have continued, but being the con that he really is, he thought he could win by a DQ.

Just like every profession, there are always those bad apples in the batch. But in a high profile case such as this, the doctor would not confirm that diagnosis if it isn't backed by any work-up, whether it's laboratory or radiologic (x-rays). He knows his findings will be under media scrunity & he has a reputation and a license to protect.

Just saying, the Dr might not be crooked, but x-rays of this type can be read a number of different ways, there's a gray area.. comprende? My "diagnosis" is Hop tried to pull a con, and it failed, and furthermore, fuck Hopkins.

In an x-ray, there is no gray area with regards to diagnosing a dislocation. They can ask for different views of the same shoulder and it will either be dislocated or it isn't.

I don't buy that, i'd bet if you got 5 radiologists looking at the x-rays you might get 5 different opinions, some might even say the shoulder was only bruised.

Hopkins had already pushed Dawson to the canvas once, when he tried to do it again, Dawson got pissed and pushed him off of him and Hopkins went down hard to the canvas. The way I see it Dawson just wasn't going to put up with any more of Hop's dirty bullshit and you can't really blame him for that.

The con man got what he deserved, end of story.

[JT Rock]

Sorry, but I don't buy it, it's well known that x-rays can be read a number of different ways, and it's also well known that you can get a "Doctor" to "confirm" just about anything. My guess is, Hopkins had a bruised shoulder and could have continued, but being the con that he really is, he thought he could win by a DQ.

Just like every profession, there are always those bad apples in the batch. But in a high profile case such as this, the doctor would not confirm that diagnosis if it isn't backed by any work-up, whether it's laboratory or radiologic (x-rays). He knows his findings will be under media scrunity & he has a reputation and a license to protect.

Just saying, the Dr might not be crooked, but x-rays of this type can be read a number of different ways, there's a gray area.. comprende? My "diagnosis" is Hop tried to pull a con, and it failed, and furthermore, fuck Hopkins.

In an x-ray, there is no gray area with regards to diagnosing a dislocation. They can ask for different views of the same shoulder and it will either be dislocated or it isn't.

I don't buy that, i'd bet if you got 5 radiologists looking at the x-rays you might get 5 different opinions, some might even say the shoulder was only bruised.

Hopkins had already pushed Dawson to the canvas once, when he tried to do it again, Dawson got pissed and pushed him off of him and Hopkins went down hard to the canvas. The way I see it Dawson just wasn't going to put up with any more of Hop's dirty bullshit and you can't really blame him for that.

The con man got what he deserved, end of story.

Prove your claim, are you a Dr or a radiologist? I imagine you are well schooled in medicine, perhaps even an expert seeing you can just throw out statements like they are a matter of fact

[Mars_ax]

Sorry, but I don't buy it, it's well known that x-rays can be read a number of different ways, and it's also well known that you can get a "Doctor" to "confirm" just about anything. My guess is, Hopkins had a bruised shoulder and could have continued, but being the con that he really is, he thought he could win by a DQ.

Just like every profession, there are always those bad apples in the batch. But in a high profile case such as this, the doctor would not confirm that diagnosis if it isn't backed by any work-up, whether it's laboratory or radiologic (x-rays). He knows his findings will be under media scrunity & he has a reputation and a license to protect.

Just saying, the Dr might not be crooked, but x-rays of this type can be read a number of different ways, there's a gray area.. comprende? My "diagnosis" is Hop tried to pull a con, and it failed, and furthermore, fuck Hopkins.

In an x-ray, there is no gray area with regards to diagnosing a dislocation. They can ask for different views of the same shoulder and it will either be dislocated or it isn't.

I don't buy that, i'd bet if you got 5 radiologists looking at the x-rays you might get 5 different opinions, some might even say the shoulder was only bruised.

Hopkins had already pushed Dawson to the canvas once, when he tried to do it again, Dawson got pissed and pushed him off of him and Hopkins went down hard to the canvas. The way I see it Dawson just wasn't going to put up with any more of Hop's dirty bullshit and you can't really blame him for that.

The con man got what he deserved, end of story.

Prove your claim, are you a Dr or a radiologist? I imagine you are well schooled in medicine, perhaps even an expert seeing you can just throw out statements like they are a matter of fact

Of course i'm not a radiologist, but what I do know is Doctors and/or Radiologists fuck up diagnostics on a regular basis. And i'm not making a "claim", i'm giving an opinion, are you intelligent enough to understand the difference? It's a boxing forum, that's what we do here dimwit, talk about boxing.

[RohanKnight]

Sorry, but I don't buy it, it's well known that x-rays can be read a number of different ways, and it's also well known that you can get a "Doctor" to "confirm" just about anything. My guess is, Hopkins had a bruised shoulder and could have continued, but being the con that he really is, he thought he could win by a DQ.

A dislocated shoulder look very clear on xray -see the one below! -

1.the green arrow shows where the socket has been forced
2. the red arrow shows the little 'cup' or socket where it should be resting to provide a fulcrum for the shoulder muscles to move it.

Clearly the arm cant be used when its not in its cup/socket, as theres nothing for its head to rest against, so real forces cannot be exerted to move it. And theres no way a useful doctor can misinterpret the change in position.

Even touching the surface of the skin should be enough to reveal that the socket's head isnt where it should be, if you cant feel the arm bone underneath the top of the shoulder, its certainly dislocated - you can do this on yourself, start weith the shoulder bone right at the top of your shoulder nearest your neck at the highest point possible, move your fingers out until you loose contact with bone, theres a tiny gap and then a return to bone - that new bone is part of that 'ball' the arm bone, and thats where it should be with a non dislocated shoulder.


Observe the Xray pic below - the ball of the arm bone, even to the layman's eyes, can be seen directly out of the shoulder's concave socket it should be sitting in. Its very clear cut.

(This is an anterior dislocation, the most common one and the likely on Bhop suffered).

[Nameless]

Well, I think that it was a very bad call but I think that it did happen a bit because of Hopkins injury;

- Wrong because it is boxing, not wrestling and that this happened in a grapple contest, for a moment I felt like Dawson was a kind of Randy Couture, minus the heart and charisma.

- Something Hopkins called for because he has a long history of faking all sort of things in order to save time. Would Hopkins never have done that, perhaps Russell would have make the good decision instead of this awful judgement.

[Mars_ax]

Well, I think that it was a very bad call but I think that it did happen a bit because of Hopkins injury;

- Wrong because it is boxing, not wrestling and that this happened in a grapple contest, for a moment I felt like Dawson was a kind of Randy Couture, minus the heart and charisma.

- Something Hopkins called for because he has a long history of faking all sort of things in order to save time. Would Hopkins never have done that, perhaps Russell would have make the good decision instead of this awful judgement.

And Hopkins has a long history of controversy, I wouldn't put anything past him, including faking the severity of an injury in the hopes of winning by DQ, why is that so hard to believe?

[RohanKnight]

Well, I think that it was a very bad call but I think that it did happen a bit because of Hopkins injury;

- Wrong because it is boxing, not wrestling and that this happened in a grapple contest, for a moment I felt like Dawson was a kind of Randy Couture, minus the heart and charisma.

- Something Hopkins called for because he has a long history of faking all sort of things in order to save time. Would Hopkins never have done that, perhaps Russell would have make the good decision instead of this awful judgement.

And Hopkins has a long history of controversy, I wouldn't put anything past him, including faking the severity of an injury in the hopes of winning by DQ, why is that so hard to believe?

Bhop clearly tried to deck his opponent a point regulalry by faking low blows, but has he ever tried to disqualify an opponent entirely?

Perhaps theres a thinner line between the two than I am making out.

However theres no doubting on video evidence that this is down to Dawson losing his rag, clearly lifting his opponent in a wrestling move and thus cheating, and the ref not noticing it. They should both be reprimanded.

[Mars_ax]

Sorry, but I don't buy it, it's well known that x-rays can be read a number of different ways, and it's also well known that you can get a "Doctor" to "confirm" just about anything. My guess is, Hopkins had a bruised shoulder and could have continued, but being the con that he really is, he thought he could win by a DQ.

A dislocated shoulder look very clear on xray -see the one below! -

1.the green arrow shows where the socket has been forced
2. the red arrow shows the little 'cup' or socket where it should be resting to provide a fulcrum for the shoulder muscles to move it.

Clearly the arm cant be used when its not in its cup/socket, as theres nothing for its head to rest against, so real forces cannot be exerted to move it. And theres no way a useful doctor can misinterpret the change in position.

Even touching the surface of the skin should be enough to reveal that the socket's head isnt where it should be, if you cant feel the arm bone underneath the top of the shoulder, its certainly dislocated - you can do this on yourself, start weith the shoulder bone right at the top of your shoulder nearest your neck at the highest point possible, move your fingers out until you loose contact with bone, theres a tiny gap and then a return to bone - that new bone is part of that 'ball' the arm bone, and thats where it should be with a non dislocated shoulder.


Observe the Xray pic below - the ball of the arm bone, even to the layman's eyes, can be seen directly out of the shoulder's concave socket it should be sitting in. Its very clear cut.

(This is an anterior dislocation, the most common one and the likely on Bhop suffered).

Nice pic, if in fact this is what happened to Hopkins.

[RohanKnight]

Sorry, but I don't buy it, it's well known that x-rays can be read a number of different ways, and it's also well known that you can get a "Doctor" to "confirm" just about anything. My guess is, Hopkins had a bruised shoulder and could have continued, but being the con that he really is, he thought he could win by a DQ.

A dislocated shoulder look very clear on xray -see the one below! -

1.the green arrow shows where the socket has been forced
2. the red arrow shows the little 'cup' or socket where it should be resting to provide a fulcrum for the shoulder muscles to move it.

Clearly the arm cant be used when its not in its cup/socket, as theres nothing for its head to rest against, so real forces cannot be exerted to move it. And theres no way a useful doctor can misinterpret the change in position.

Even touching the surface of the skin should be enough to reveal that the socket's head isnt where it should be, if you cant feel the arm bone underneath the top of the shoulder, its certainly dislocated - you can do this on yourself, start weith the shoulder bone right at the top of your shoulder nearest your neck at the highest point possible, move your fingers out until you loose contact with bone, theres a tiny gap and then a return to bone - that new bone is part of that 'ball' the arm bone, and thats where it should be with a non dislocated shoulder.


Observe the Xray pic below - the ball of the arm bone, even to the layman's eyes, can be seen directly out of the shoulder's concave socket it should be sitting in. Its very clear cut.

(This is an anterior dislocation, the most common one and the likely on Bhop suffered).

Nice pic, if in fact this is what happened to Hopkins.

haha ta! I cant completely rule out a corrupt doctor faking the xray from another patient.
But yeah, it would have been obvious the bone wasnt in place just be touch, dont know why the ring doctor didnt check just by touching Bernards shoulder.

Personally I have no doubt it was a genuine injury, these shoulder injuries happen a lot of you stay in contact sport after 35. The body starts losing minute amounts of muscle all over the body after 30 and some of intricate muscles cant be rebuilt with weight training, and some of the shoulder muscles are very intricate and small. Once they start to go, its a slippery slope and you need to quit sport soon.

[Mars_ax]

Nice pic, if in fact this is what happened to Hopkins.

haha ta! I cant completely rule out a corrupt doctor faking the xray from another patient.
But yeah, it would have been obvious the bone wasnt in place just be touch, dont know why the ring doctor didnt check just by touching Bernards shoulder.

Just curious, isn't an injury like that really painful? If so, why was Hopkins walking around like nothing had happened after the fight? I'm not questioning whether Hopkins had some sort of minor injury, just the severity of it.

[Kev]

Nice pic, if in fact this is what happened to Hopkins.

haha ta! I cant completely rule out a corrupt doctor faking the xray from another patient.
But yeah, it would have been obvious the bone wasnt in place just be touch, dont know why the ring doctor didnt check just by touching Bernards shoulder.

Just curious, isn't an injury like that really painful? If so, why was Hopkins walking around like nothing had happened after the fight? I'm not questioning whether Hopkins had some sort of minor injury, just the severity of it.

So first of all he was faking and acting as clearly it wasn't a painful fall, now he's not faked it enough as you think he should have been writhing about more.

I think you need to read the rest of my previous post.

[RohanKnight]

Nice pic, if in fact this is what happened to Hopkins.

haha ta! I cant completely rule out a corrupt doctor faking the xray from another patient.
But yeah, it would have been obvious the bone wasnt in place just be touch, dont know why the ring doctor didnt check just by touching Bernards shoulder.

Just curious, isn't an injury like that really painful? If so, why was Hopkins walking around like nothing had happened after the fight? I'm not questioning whether Hopkins had some sort of minor injury, just the severity of it.

to me it looked like he was in a lot of pain, he was bawling at everyone, allowing for fight adrenaline.

However if you arent moving it, the pain is minimised, and he wasnt moving it MUCH. If he'd had to try and lift it to keep fighting, phewf... you'd have seen a different Bernado.

Using a good fictional reference, in the MMA movie Warrior (SPOILER -LOOK AWAY NOW if you've not seen it).......













........... I think he gets his shoulder dislocated in the last fight. He was as good as dead then, and hurting with every step. That might have been a broken arm though? I wqas too busy facepalming the crap ending to the movie to take full note.