When Bernard gets his belt back should he give Dawson a rematch ?

[JT Rock]

So you are in the minority that believe this TKO "win" will stand ?

Shaw has already said even if the WBC mandates a rematch they won't obey it and will give up the belt.

So either way Dawson is losing that belt he "won".

Dawson is doing that because he's scared and knows if Hopkins ever gets into the ring with him again he's gonna make him pay for all the post fight antics. Dawson has always been a sucker for a right hand and Hopkins caught him with one that put his glove on the canvas.

So he is taking any chance he can to get away from Hopkins after talking all that trash after the fight never wants to get in the ring with him again.

Dawson is going to duck Hopkins now and try to parade himself around as the 'peoples' champ, the writing's on the wall. Dawson doesn't want anymore of Hopkins and if he was so heated after the fight he would want to avenge it and give Hopkins the beating he claims he can... but he doesn't, he talked a lot of trash and is trying to stand behind it to avoid a rematch. That's a punk move. Sad thing is people are gonna buy it.

I hope Hopkins hangs them up. I saw the fight differently to be honest. Going into the fight, I thought Hopkins would eek out a decision although I admit going back and forth, but after seeing the body language of the two, I believe Hopkins fought the first person since Calzaghe that he couldn't manipulate mentally. I like Dawson in a rematch. I believe Hopkins was trying to pull one of those moves that he uses to take off 5 minutes. In his last few fights, it seems that he finds a way to take 5 minutes off every fight. Hopkins got what was coming to him.

Hopkins was controlling Dawson and making him fight at his tempo, and apparently he did affect Dawson mentally hence the throwdown, the fake tantrum afterwards, and the weak refusal to give a "rematch", simply put Dawson became a bitch overnight and just managed to put a nice shit streak on his camera friendly "good guy" image, so much for backing him up against Pascal in a rematch

Hopkins was controlling Dawson? Really? He had the outside angle, but besides that Dawson was in complete control. Hopkins landed maybe once solidly with his right hand, and Dawson landed much better punches. He was putting pressure on Hopkins without abandoning his defense. The throw down was Dawson being rough against a rough fighter. I think he honestly believed Hopkins was faking, and he was frustrated because he was having an easy time with Hopkins and he knew Hopkins didn't want to be in there with him and wouldn't do it again.

You're trying to put a mentality on Hopkins that isn't there by trying to insinuate that after one round Hopkins was ready to mentally throw in the towel, if that's the case why did he keep fighting when Pascal decked him? And the multiple times Hopkins stunned him in their rematch? You give Dawson too much credit and take too much credit away from Hopkins. If ever there was a fighter that would never "pack it in" after one and a half rounds which are mostly even right at the point he starts finding a right hand on Dawson...it isn't Hopkins. This is getting ridiculous.

I agree with you that no way Hopkins was packing it in. He's a proven warrior. On the other hand, Hopkins often fakes injuries in order to get a breather to pace himself. To me, this looked exactly like one of those situations, but this time his bluff was called.

Why would he need a breather at 2:48 of round 2? makes no sense bro. Hopkins landed the cleaner Blows had the position game won and was pretty much fighting the Hopkins way. If it was the 8th round I would agree that he was looking for a breather but not this early.Like mentioned if he didnt need a breather against pascal who floored him 2X and was agressive then he didnt need one against Dawson

Matter of fact Dawson is the one who Falls asleep in the middle of the fight couple that with Hop keeping the pace slow in the beginning so he could come on strong from 8-12 like he does and I think Hopkins was in the drivers seat.

Thats just an assumption on my part just like saying he needed a breather in the 2nd round of a slow fight

[Rantcatrat]

So you are in the minority that believe this TKO "win" will stand ?

Shaw has already said even if the WBC mandates a rematch they won't obey it and will give up the belt.

So either way Dawson is losing that belt he "won".

Dawson is doing that because he's scared and knows if Hopkins ever gets into the ring with him again he's gonna make him pay for all the post fight antics. Dawson has always been a sucker for a right hand and Hopkins caught him with one that put his glove on the canvas.

So he is taking any chance he can to get away from Hopkins after talking all that trash after the fight never wants to get in the ring with him again.

Dawson is going to duck Hopkins now and try to parade himself around as the 'peoples' champ, the writing's on the wall. Dawson doesn't want anymore of Hopkins and if he was so heated after the fight he would want to avenge it and give Hopkins the beating he claims he can... but he doesn't, he talked a lot of trash and is trying to stand behind it to avoid a rematch. That's a punk move. Sad thing is people are gonna buy it.

I hope Hopkins hangs them up. I saw the fight differently to be honest. Going into the fight, I thought Hopkins would eek out a decision although I admit going back and forth, but after seeing the body language of the two, I believe Hopkins fought the first person since Calzaghe that he couldn't manipulate mentally. I like Dawson in a rematch. I believe Hopkins was trying to pull one of those moves that he uses to take off 5 minutes. In his last few fights, it seems that he finds a way to take 5 minutes off every fight. Hopkins got what was coming to him.

Hopkins was controlling Dawson and making him fight at his tempo, and apparently he did affect Dawson mentally hence the throwdown, the fake tantrum afterwards, and the weak refusal to give a "rematch", simply put Dawson became a bitch overnight and just managed to put a nice shit streak on his camera friendly "good guy" image, so much for backing him up against Pascal in a rematch

Hopkins was controlling Dawson? Really? He had the outside angle, but besides that Dawson was in complete control. Hopkins landed maybe once solidly with his right hand, and Dawson landed much better punches. He was putting pressure on Hopkins without abandoning his defense. The throw down was Dawson being rough against a rough fighter. I think he honestly believed Hopkins was faking, and he was frustrated because he was having an easy time with Hopkins and he knew Hopkins didn't want to be in there with him and wouldn't do it again.

You're trying to put a mentality on Hopkins that isn't there by trying to insinuate that after one round Hopkins was ready to mentally throw in the towel, if that's the case why did he keep fighting when Pascal decked him? And the multiple times Hopkins stunned him in their rematch? You give Dawson too much credit and take too much credit away from Hopkins. If ever there was a fighter that would never "pack it in" after one and a half rounds which are mostly even right at the point he starts finding a right hand on Dawson...it isn't Hopkins. This is getting ridiculous.

I agree with you that no way Hopkins was packing it in. He's a proven warrior. On the other hand, Hopkins often fakes injuries in order to get a breather to pace himself. To me, this looked exactly like one of those situations, but this time his bluff was called.

Why would he need a breather at 2:48 of round 2? makes no sense bro. Hopkins landed the cleaner Blows had the position game won and was pretty much fighting the Hopkins way. If it was the 8th round I would agree that he was looking for a breather but not this early.Like mentioned if he didnt need a breather against pascal who floored him 2X and was agressive then he didnt need one against Dawson

Matter of fact Dawson is the one who Falls asleep in the middle of the fight couple that with Hop keeping the pace slow in the beginning so he could come on strong from 8-12 like he does and I think Hopkins was in the drivers seat.

Thats just an assumption on my part just like saying he needed a breather in the 2nd round of a slow fight

Because Bernard knows this was going to be a 12 round fight. He's crafty. He wants every single advantage he can get. He knows that he slows in the later rounds and if taking a breather early gave him a little more energy later, he would take it. I say he needed a breather because Bernard recently has a habit of exeraggating injuries in order give him time to take a rest. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had done it in the later rounds again or multiple times in the fight. When it comes to pulling that kind of move, one thing we can agree on, is that Bernard does NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I saw Dawson winning the first round and imposing his size. I thought Bernard was in for a long night. I guess we just saw something different.

[JT Rock]

He knows that he slows in the later rounds and if taking a breather early gave him a little more energy later, he would take it

Not really bro, Hopkins comes on strong in the later rounds.