Muhammed Ali - The Greatest

[Mars_ax]

and from whom Rocky Marciano had run shitscared from.

sif its not true, how do you explain Marciano training to come out of retirement for Ingemar JOhansson, and then quitting as soon as Liston literally tore the champion apart..

Marciano knew for a fact that he'd get destroyed,and lets not forget Liston was the same age as Marciano, so you cant argue he gave up his comeback because he was past his prime. He was simply more limited than you make out, and now he realised it - why should he risk his record and his ATG status to get shown up by someone obviously better than him?

Then Rocky had the bad grace to say he would have kicked Clay's ass - an odd thing to say for such a gracious man, given that he ran from an obvious beating from Sonny Liston that Clay was happy to take - something was obviously bothering him immensely for him to react like that. A lot of retired champs mouth off, so he wasnt alone in that behaviour.

I don't think Marciano was ever afraid to fight anybody, including Sonny Liston, that's insulting. I do believe however that had this fight happened, Liston would have knocked Marciano out, he was too big, and too powerful for the much smaller Rocky.

[RohanKnight]

and from whom Rocky Marciano had run shitscared from.

sif its not true, how do you explain Marciano training to come out of retirement for Ingemar JOhansson, and then quitting as soon as Liston literally tore the champion apart..

Marciano knew for a fact that he'd get destroyed,and lets not forget Liston was the same age as Marciano, so you cant argue he gave up his comeback because he was past his prime. He was simply more limited than you make out, and now he realised it - why should he risk his record and his ATG status to get shown up by someone obviously better than him?

Then Rocky had the bad grace to say he would have kicked Clay's ass - an odd thing to say for such a gracious man, given that he ran from an obvious beating from Sonny Liston that Clay was happy to take - something was obviously bothering him immensely for him to react like that. A lot of retired champs mouth off, so he wasnt alone in that behaviour.

I don't think Marciano was ever afraid to fight anybody, including Sonny Liston, that's insulting. I do believe however that had this fight happened, Liston would have knocked Marciano out, he was too big, and too powerful for the much smaller Rocky.

well yes, shitscared is an unfair term for such a brave man, I concede that was wrong to say. As you say and everyone seems to agree with apart from BB above, its more that Rocky knew his limitations as a fighter... and I was not happy that he then went on to say he could whup Ali when he knew he couldnt even whup Liston.


I would expect a gracious man like Marciano to admit to his limitations, not lie about them, but that might be too much too ask from a lot of ex champs. Thats why I am glad that Ali didtn fall into the trap of BShitting like Marciano did - when asked about him versus Marciano (see BrocktonBusterMathis's thread for the video), he showed that rather than talk shit like Rocky did, he was down to earth and said - 'who knows?'

thx for posting the video, Brockton, always good to win an argument using your opponents own attack. very nearly said 'rope-a-dope' there.

[Mars_ax]

and from whom Rocky Marciano had run shitscared from.

sif its not true, how do you explain Marciano training to come out of retirement for Ingemar JOhansson, and then quitting as soon as Liston literally tore the champion apart..

Marciano knew for a fact that he'd get destroyed,and lets not forget Liston was the same age as Marciano, so you cant argue he gave up his comeback because he was past his prime. He was simply more limited than you make out, and now he realised it - why should he risk his record and his ATG status to get shown up by someone obviously better than him?

Then Rocky had the bad grace to say he would have kicked Clay's ass - an odd thing to say for such a gracious man, given that he ran from an obvious beating from Sonny Liston that Clay was happy to take - something was obviously bothering him immensely for him to react like that. A lot of retired champs mouth off, so he wasnt alone in that behaviour.

I don't think Marciano was ever afraid to fight anybody, including Sonny Liston, that's insulting. I do believe however that had this fight happened, Liston would have knocked Marciano out, he was too big, and too powerful for the much smaller Rocky.

well yes, shitscared is an unfair term for such a brave man, I concede that was wrong to say. As you say and everyone seems to agree with apart from BB above, its more that Rocky knew his limitations as a fighter... and I was not happy that he then went on to say he could whup Ali when he knew he couldnt even whup Liston.


I would expect a gracious man like Marciano to admit to his limitations, not lie about them, but that might be too much too ask from a lot of ex champs. Thats why I am glad that Ali didtn fall into the trap Marciano did and was down to earth when asked about him versus Marciano (see BrocktonBusterMathis's thread for the video), he showed he wasnt full of shit.

I'm sure Rocky thought he could defeat every Heavyweight who ever lived, including Liston and Ali, so I don't get what you believe he's "lying" about.

[RohanKnight]

and from whom Rocky Marciano had run shitscared from.

sif its not true, how do you explain Marciano training to come out of retirement for Ingemar JOhansson, and then quitting as soon as Liston literally tore the champion apart..

Marciano knew for a fact that he'd get destroyed,and lets not forget Liston was the same age as Marciano, so you cant argue he gave up his comeback because he was past his prime. He was simply more limited than you make out, and now he realised it - why should he risk his record and his ATG status to get shown up by someone obviously better than him?

Then Rocky had the bad grace to say he would have kicked Clay's ass - an odd thing to say for such a gracious man, given that he ran from an obvious beating from Sonny Liston that Clay was happy to take - something was obviously bothering him immensely for him to react like that. A lot of retired champs mouth off, so he wasnt alone in that behaviour.

I don't think Marciano was ever afraid to fight anybody, including Sonny Liston, that's insulting. I do believe however that had this fight happened, Liston would have knocked Marciano out, he was too big, and too powerful for the much smaller Rocky.

well yes, shitscared is an unfair term for such a brave man, I concede that was wrong to say. As you say and everyone seems to agree with apart from BB above, its more that Rocky knew his limitations as a fighter... and I was not happy that he then went on to say he could whup Ali when he knew he couldnt even whup Liston.


I would expect a gracious man like Marciano to admit to his limitations, not lie about them, but that might be too much too ask from a lot of ex champs. Thats why I am glad that Ali didtn fall into the trap Marciano did and was down to earth when asked about him versus Marciano (see BrocktonBusterMathis's thread for the video), he showed he wasnt full of shit.

I'm sure Rocky thought he could defeat every Heavyweight who ever lived, including Liston and Ali, so I don't get what you believe he's "lying" about.

well he steered clear of Patterson and Liston (who would have beat him), just as soon as Ingemar Johannson (a paper champion whom he could easily beat even in his midthirties) had lost the title, he stopped his comeback and reretired for good. SO what he said about Ali, and what he actually did are polar opposites.

[Mars_ax]

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and from whom Rocky Marciano had run shitscared from.

I don't think Marciano was ever afraid to fight anybody, including Sonny Liston, that's insulting. I do believe however that had this fight happened, Liston would have knocked Marciano out, he was too big, and too powerful for the much smaller Rocky.

well yes, shitscared is an unfair term for such a brave man, I concede that was wrong to say. As you say and everyone seems to agree with apart from BB above, its more that Rocky knew his limitations as a fighter... and I was not happy that he then went on to say he could whup Ali when he knew he couldnt even whup Liston.


I would expect a gracious man like Marciano to admit to his limitations, not lie about them, but that might be too much too ask from a lot of ex champs. Thats why I am glad that Ali didtn fall into the trap Marciano did and was down to earth when asked about him versus Marciano (see BrocktonBusterMathis's thread for the video), he showed he wasnt full of shit.

I'm sure Rocky thought he could defeat every Heavyweight who ever lived, including Liston and Ali, so I don't get what you believe he's "lying" about.

well he steered clear of Patterson and Liston, as soon as Ingemar Johannson had lost the title, he stopped his comeback and reretired for good. SO what he said about Ali, and what he actually did are polar opposites.

If Marciano was officially retired, how the fuck is he steering clear of Patterson and Liston? Aside from what i'm hearing from you, i've never heard this bullshit, or that he stopped a comeback rather than fight Liston. Rocky feared no man, he retired, and stayed retired for reasons that had fuck all to do with Patterson, Liston, Ali, et al, end of story.

[Saddo]

I remember seeing an interview eight after his win over Archie Moore fight when he was asked if it really was his last fight... Marciano own words where along the lines of...."if i'm struggling against guys like this its time to call it a day"

he knew he was done and its prob refreshing to see it happen.... when you look at the likes of Roy Jones and Ali for that matter.

[Mars_ax]

I remember seeing an interview eight after his win over Archie Moore fight when he was asked if it really was his last fight... Marciano own words where along the lines of...."if i'm struggling against guys like this its time to call it a day"

he knew he was done and its prob refreshing to see it happen.... when you look at the likes of Roy Jones and Ali for that matter.

I read somewhere that real reason Marciano retired was because of all the trauma to his face/nose/head and the fact that he suffered from severe back pains in his last few fights. I also heard that he didn't want to continue giving a big chunk of his purses to his manager Al Weill, reported to be as much as 50%.

Marciano was a great champion, who defeated everyone they put in front of him, most by KO. When all is said and done, whether or not Rocky would have been able to hang with bigger, stronger, Heavyweights, like Liston, Ali, Holmes, or Tyson, remains to be seen, and really makes little difference.