Bert Sugar on Mike Tyson, his legacy and chances against the Klitchko's

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finally watched the bloody Ssugar clip. What a piece he is.......but I like him. Aand he's got it basically right.

You WOULD think that wouldn't you

"Mike Tyson's uppercuts would take their heads off"....yes, because the Klitschko's are ALWAYS getting hit with uppercuts. Bert is a caricature of what boxing pundits used to be, he's got the fedora, the stogey, and the raspy voice but the ONLY thing that matters to him is the past.

How would Wlad or Vitali fair vs Tyson? Objectively they seem pretty even match ups with the height and reach and weight going decisively in favor of the Klitschko's. True Mike Tyson could slip and counter his way inside with the best of them but the Cus D'Mato style had its flaws....namely tall fighters who controlled distance and sure Tyson got passed a right good few decent fighters like that, but its not as if he breezed his way through his entire career. Vitali I'm certain beats Tyson, the man never give up the body, he's extremely hard to catch flush and even when you do he won't go down. Wladimir has a 50/50 shot vs Tyson, 90/10 after round 5 just because once Wlad gets in rhythm he is a punisher, he makes guys quit and ....well truth be told, in those situations Tyson quit. The Klitschko's won't get their dues til after they retire and maybe then people will realize how damn great those guys are.

There's not 1 guy that Tyson beat that Wlad or Vitali couldn't beat.

Sanders put Vitali down!

Both Vitali and Wladimir panic when pressured they just javent had the competition. Wladimir doesnt come on strong his opponents lose heart. Thete os a misconception about Mike that he lost fpcis as a fight wore on. Like I said, look at the Tucker fight, a man that is more skilled than either Klitschko and watch how Mike beat him very comfortably. Who have either Klitschko beaten that is as good as Tyson? They havent and wont because the skill isnt out there. Vitali had his chance against an old Lewis.

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Tyson beats both brothers comfortably let's not overate these guys due to lack of competition! Both brothers are very good however no point debating that anymore but neither beats tyson.

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here's comes Lyle spreading his Limburger cheese on another thread.

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I have to laugh at these old fogies trying to rewrite history. Boring, "chessmatch" heavyweight boxing started with Lennox and the Klitschkos? LOL! Have you ever heard and seen of a little known guy by the name of, hmm, JACK JOHNSON? Have you seen footage of Jack fight? TOTAL cerebral chess match, and that was 100 years ago!

Look back at even the golden era of the HW division. Sure Ali was the greatest, but have you watched all of his fights? They weren't all "Thrilla in Manilla" or "Rumble in the Jungle", a lot of them were mind-numbingly boring! Why? Because he did the SAME THING that people crap on the Klitschkos for, i.e. playing the chessmatch, controlling the fight with his jab and superior skill/athletics, not aggressively going for the finish, ect.

The Klitschkos are boring because they don't "put themselves in danger". LOL, you show me a boxer who voluntarily puts himself in danger and I'll show you a club fighter. That's the name of the game, HIT AND NOT GET HIT. It's the same thing Ali did, the only difference is Ali had guys close to his level he fought every now and then who forced him into these exciting fights. The Klitschko's are head and shoulders (literally and figuratively) above everyone in the division and don't have anyone around to make an appealing fight for them. David Haye was supposed to be the guy to do that, but we all know how that turned out.

Don't blame the Klitschkos, blame the rest of the suckers who don't have enough to give them a compelling fight.

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As far as Mike vs the Klitschko's, Tyson had the power to flatten ANYONE in the history of boxing, and the kind of speed to land those missles.

However I question what kind of success he would have had against opponents so much taller, with such good foot movement, range, and jabbing capabilities.

Could Mike have knocked both guys out? Certainly. But if you think he would just walk in on them and blow them out like they were Michael Johnson or David Jaco or some shit, you're crazy.