Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
TitoFan...

1. I never said I rate Hatton over Cotto. I said certain formlines point to Hatton being above Cotto. Therefore it is ridiculous to state one is world-class but the other not.

2. Your breakdown of their resumes is ridiculous. First off - "Hatton beat nobody of note before Tsyzu?" Yet you list Rocky Martinez to highlight Cotto's resume. The SAME Martinez that had already been beat by Stephen Smith - A Hatton VICTIM!!! So how come Hatton beat "no-one of note" but Cotto is credited for beating victims of Hatton's VICTIMS!!! That is utterly pathetic.

Bazan and N'Dou? Beat by Hatton VICTIMS!!! You don't see Judah on Hatton's resume because guess what? He was DESTROYED by a Hatton VICTIM!!!

Quintana, Clottey and Foreman are no better than Urango and Collazo (top 10 alphabet holders). Mayorga? "A little over the hill?" But Castillo was a "pathetic shell." Laughable.

Just face the facts. They have three common opponents with the same results. Lots of Cotto's best wins were against men who lost to fighters Hatton beat. Cotto may have faced the quantity but Hatton the quality. They were both P4P rated in their pomp. Both multi-weight "world champions" (Hatton being the only legit/lineal one).

If Hatton isn't world-class neither is Cotto. Fact.

I've gotten a lot of flak on this one, as I expected... this being a British forum and all. But ok... maybe I went a bit far back on Cotto's resume. Let's forget the Bazans and the Martinez's. Let's pick it up at Abdullaev. I still maintain that Cotto's list is more impressive than Hatton's. And I still maintain that after Tszyu, Hatton's record isn't very impressive at all. You had no answer for Collazo, against whom Hatton was GIVEN a decision. I won't dump too much on Urango, which I didn't before either. But Castillo? C'mon... TELL me that wasn't a pathetic shell of the former Castillo. He didn't even LOOK ready to fight that night. After that came two thrashings by Mayweather and Pac, sandwiched around fights against the "great" Lazcano (who?), and Malignaggi.

I still don't see how that list stacks against the likes of Torres, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, and Mayorga. And this crap about Judah and others being beaten by Hatton victims. C'mon... you know better than that. If there's any sport where algebra doesn't apply, it's boxing. A>B, and B>C, so automatically A>C? I don't think so. Go ask Ali, Foreman, and Frazier.

Judah may be a "gatekeeper" now. But back then, he was Cotto's biggest test to date. Judah was still, well... Judah. Mosley I shouldn't even have to defend. After he lost to Cotto, he kicked the stuffing out of Margarito. That he's now washed up and afraid to pull the trigger? (see Mayweather fight). Yeah, so what?

Boxing (and boxers) is a matter of eras, of timeframes. I'll give you Mayorga. He definitely WAS a bit over-the-hill when he fought Cotto. But none of what you've said before makes Hatton's resume better than Cotto's. Nothing.

And ok... I can't claim Cotto is world-class while Hatton is not. It's not that clear cut. But I will tell you this... I always hoped that Cotto and Hatton would've met, especially at 147. It would've NOT been a pretty sight. Except rather than get embarrassed like against Floyd... or annihilated, like against Pac... it would've been a systematic, painful dismantling that would've put to rest once and for all any doubts about Cotto being better than Hatton.

Oh... and by the way... Cotto has never claimed to be fighting for the world's p4p, unlike the delusional Ricky.