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Quote Originally Posted by Galaxy View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Mars_ax View Post

Granted, prior to being knocked out by Tarver in 2004, Jones was better than most of his competition. My point is, unlike SRL, up until 2004 Jones really had no "defining" fights and/or fights where he was really tested. Well guess what, the competition finally got better, and when Jones started fighting pugs who were his equal, he wasn't up to the challenge. As long as Jones was dealing out the punishment he was great, but as soon as someone gave him a taste of his own medicine, he was toast.

I base much of a fighters greatness by how well they come back from adversity, this is a big part of the reason why pugs like SRL, Louis, Marciano, Ali, et al, are all-time greats, and why Roy Jones Jr. is not. (at least not in my top 100)
I sort of get what your saying, but just because Jones wasn't really tested doesn't mean he didn't have any defining fights, I mean Toney was considered a top p4p guy when they fought, Hopkins wasn't the finished product he became but was still dangerous. When he fought Tarver the 1st time I think that was Tarver at his best. Age caught up with Jones & because he never had great fundamentals to begin with once he slowed down he started getting caught.
I can honestly say I never once bought one of RJJ's suckass PPV's.