Sirhan Sirhan Guilty?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Derren Brown: The Experiments - Series 1 - Episode 1 - Derren Brown: The Assassin - Channel 4

also on youtube if you can't watch it online via 4oD

can you brainwash/hypnotise someone to commit murder?

[brocktonblockbust]

well they used to do it centuries ago, the word "assassin" actually comes from the word "hashish", as they would drug them up good on hashish, for long periods, and try to brainwash them to carry out assassinations. but Sirhan Sirha is hard to believe to be hypnotized to murder RFK. I think he was a patsy, frankly.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

he claims to have no memory of it and they keep turning down his parole, one of the reasons is not showing remorse. Hard to show remorse for something you can't remember doing.

Clever tv programme, watch it if you can. It's very interesting because many if not all hypnotists claim that they can't make you do anything you wouldnt do in a waking state.

It also challenges the notion of memory, we've all day dreamed and wandered past where we were meant to be / drivers do this all the time, and have no recollection of how they go there.

[brocktonblockbust]

A guy I went to sschool with in the late 80s was a hypnotist and he said exactly that: you can't get someone to do something they wouldn't normally do while awake. Yes how can he show remorse if he cannot recall it, exactly. He must have principles then, or he'd simply feign the remorse to get out.

[Andre]

Interesting.

Kidnapped and reprogrammed to do something could work I suppose, over a long length of time

Look at Manson and his troupe I cant remember exactly but I dont think he killed anyone and they did all his deeds for him willingly.
They believed in what they were doing; but I Imagine guilt could block out some prior forced actions if it was against your grain, like shock does.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Interesting.

Kidnapped and reprogrammed to do something could work I suppose, over a long length of time

Look at Manson and his troupe I cant remember exactly but I dont think he killed anyone and they did all his deeds for him willingly.
They believed in what they were doing; but I Imagine guilt could block out some prior forced actions if it was against your grain, like shock does.

highly sugestiable person.
they imbedded a firing range state
imbedded a trigger
imbedded memory loss

the subject here said he imagined/thought he was back at the firing range when he stood up and 'shot' the celeb.

Sirhan also claimed to have periods of memory loss prior to the shooting of RFK.

[Andre]

Ive watched it now. Great thread Missy thanks; really enjoyed watching it on utube.
They wont let us watch channel 4 here ,cause we may nick it contents, (Aussies being POHM's and all that I suppose ).

Who could possibly want to shoot Stephen Fry? Unless they were a total homophobic asswipe?

So Sirhan maybe innocnent? I wonder what would arise if they got this hypnotist to bring him out of the amnesia state via hypnosis; if they could find out who were behind it all if he can be induced to remember?

I bet no one is allowed near him if that is the case.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I suppose it depends whether you believe these conditions stay with you through life or if you need a specific key to unlock it OR the memory blocks would fade....in fact if both the block & key faded wouldnt that amount to having no genuine memory?

I have a headache with thinking

[Mars_ax]

Sirhan had an obsession with Bobby Kennedy because he thought RFK was radically pro-Israel and helping the "Jews". Sirhan wasn't "brainwashed" by anyone, he was just another Palestinian/mid-eastern born looney with an obsession, and sub-consciously seeking the negative attention he used to get from his abusive father.

[Andre]

Sirhan had an obsession with Bobby Kennedy because he thought RFK was radically pro-Israel and helping the "Jews". Sirhan wasn't "brainwashed" by anyone, he was just another Palestinian/mid-eastern born looney with an obsession, and sub-consciously seeking the negative attention he used to get from his abusive father.

Yeah you're right. Do you think his father brainwashed him?

[Mars_ax]

Sirhan had an obsession with Bobby Kennedy because he thought RFK was radically pro-Israel and helping the "Jews". Sirhan wasn't "brainwashed" by anyone, he was just another Palestinian/mid-eastern born looney with an obsession, and sub-consciously seeking the negative attention he used to get from his abusive father.

Yeah you're right. Do you think his father brainwashed him?

There's a really good chance Sirhan learned some of his anti-semitism, and/or hatred of Israel/Jews from his Palestinian/Arab father. Sirhan grew up during the Jewish-Arab war would be 12 years old when his family immigrated to the U.S., as Palestinian refugees.

Why Sirhan targeted Bobby Kennedy is a bit of a mystery, I don't recall RFK being all that pro-Israel, certainly not any more than other Democratic politicians back in 1968. In any event, Sirhan probably thought assassinating Kennedy would make him a fucking hero, sort of like when John Wilkes Booth assassinated Abe Lincoln, in the belief that he would be a hero to the confederacy.

[Andre]

You guys have lost alot of Presidents to that and many failed attempts too.

We dont have that here and yet we are multi cultural too. Once you get here you just dont seem to bother with back home stuff anymore.

We have a real job caring enough to even come off the beach to get our fish and chips if it wasnt for basic hunger we'd still all be down there.

[Mars_ax]

You guys have lost alot of Presidents to that and many failed attempts too.

We dont have that here and yet we are multi cultural too. Once you get here you just dont seem to bother with back home stuff anymore.

We have a real job caring enough to even come off the beach to get our fish and chips if it wasnt for basic hunger we'd still all be down there.

Australians seemed really layed back, I was watching a documentary about the horrible flooding you had there, and was impressed at how much unity there was among the people living there.

America has a somewhat special set of circumstances in regards to it being "multi-cultural", that's hard for people in other countries to understand. If you don't live in the Southern U.S. for example, and all you know is what you read about or see in the media, then you have no idea what actually goes on here.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

apart from all the Aboriginals you denied existed and did an american Indian job on yeah, you all get along fine now

[Andre]

apart from all the aboriginals you denied existed and did an american indian job on yeah, you all get along fine now

Um you're relatives did that, it was the English.