Pacquiao vs. Marquez III - Saturday fight/chat thread

[Chino]

One sided beat down, Pac to win at least 10 rounds

Something along those lines, it's hard to imagine Marquez even winning 1 round, Pac is better then ever, JMM is not.

Plus he has all odds against him too as he goes up in weight drastically . The only ones who think this fight will be "dangerous" are Pac fans I guess. Just to make it seem as if he accomplished a lot.

[Rantcatrat]

One sided beat down, Pac to win at least 10 rounds

Something along those lines, it's hard to imagine Marquez even winning 1 round, Pac is better then ever, JMM is not.

Plus he has all odds against him too as he goes up in weight drastically . The only ones who think this fight will be "dangerous" are Pac fans I guess. Just to make it seem as if he accomplished a lot.

If you aren't favoring Pacquiao you are delusional, but to say Marquez has no shot is ridiculous. How can he have no shot if he basically fought to stalemate with Pacquiao twice?

Pacquiao doesn't weigh in at 165 when he fights at 147 like Victor Oritz. They'll be within 5 pounds of eachother at fight time. So, Marquez isn't at a huge weight disadvantage. Pacquiao may be better at 147 than Marquez, but that's yet to be seen. Indeedn, Marquez has had only one fight at 144 it was against the best in boxing, Floyd Mayweather, which isn't dispositive of very much.

The main thing that I see as indicating an advantage of Pacquiao is that Marquez hasn't looked spectacular in his last few fights. He shouldn't be having a war with Kastidis if he plans on realistically competing against Pacquiao. It's the stark differences in their recent performances that make Pacquiao a 8-1 favorite. However, Marquez is a warrior and he knows Pacquiao's style, which in itself is enough to make it an interesting fight for a while. I'll be impressed if Pacquiao blows him out of the water. I've repeated myself a few times, but I still say with confidence that Marquez will do better against Manny this time than Ortiz did against Floyd. For the record, how many rounds did people have Ortiz winning in that fight?

[Chino]

If you aren't favoring Pacquiao you are delusional, but to say Marquez has no shot is ridiculous. How can he have no shot if he basically fought to stalemate with Pacquiao twice?

That fight was more than 7 years ago when both were in the mid 130s. Now JMM has to gain all this weight to fight him in a weight where he looked like crap vs Floyd. Decreased speed and punching power in that weight won’t be nice to JMM.

Pacquiao may be better at 147 than Marquez, but that's yet to be seen

Pac has looked just fine at 147, JMM has not.

but I still say with confidence that Marquez will do better against Manny this time than Ortiz did against Floyd

Sure, JMM may perform fine but I just can’t see him winning, hope I am wrong.

[Rantcatrat]

If you aren't favoring Pacquiao you are delusional, but to say Marquez has no shot is ridiculous. How can he have no shot if he basically fought to stalemate with Pacquiao twice?

That fight was more than 7 years ago when both were in the mid 130s. Now JMM has to gain all this weight to fight him in a weight where he looked like crap vs Floyd. Decreased speed and punching power in that weight won’t be nice to JMM.

Pacquiao may be better at 147 than Marquez, but that's yet to be seen

Pac has looked just fine at 147, JMM has not.

but I still say with confidence that Marquez will do better against Manny this time than Ortiz did against Floyd

Sure, JMM may perform fine but I just can’t see him winning, hope I am wrong.

He last fought Maquez three years ago (200 and he's fought him twice total giving him ample chance to learn Pacquiao's style. Both fights were close either way you came out. I like counter punchers in rematches because usually once they have the timing of their opponent's punching down, they can time their opponent to win - see Martinez v. Williams II. Again, Pacquiao is favored for a reason.

When has JMM not looked good at 147 other than against arguably the best boxer in boxing in Floyd? It's like saying Narvaez can't fight at bantamweight because he was dominated by Donaire or if Adamek only fought Vitali and saying he can't fight at heavyweight. I understand Pacquiao is also a great, but Marquez has faced him already, and the fights were close.