This is aimed at EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU who said that JMM...

[Rantcatrat]

I was pulling for JMM all the way, I had him an underdog for thr same reasons as Andre.

This blew up in Arum. Roach and Pacs face. They picked a 38 year old Marquez who got dominated by Floyd at his only trip above 140.

They figured as usual it was a safe bet to put him in with a fighter with highmileage and a big name to keep the great Hype machine going, Pacquiao is bull crap ever since Diaz to the Zombie Delahoya, the already broken and Brutally Knocked out Hatton, Cotto and Margarito to a horribly faded Mosely. I wish people would finally get it

Those sneaky bastards thought that they could erase any doubt from the public outcry of the firm screwing that JMM got in their last fights by making him heavier and older absolutely banking on he lost a few steps. So the phony Myth of Pac would storm him and they would say SEE WE KO'D HIM THE TALK IS OVER!

I hope these frauds keep getting the backlash they deserve. Someone has to finally be bright enough that just because you beat a camaro in a 1/4 mile race dosent make you speed racer when you leave out the detail that the car is a 94 with 135,000 miles on it. These bullshit artists have been doing this for years and Im glad Marquez made them pay

Manny fights a tough fight against Marquez and now he's a fraud? Are you kidding me? This isn't the time to put Manny down. It's the opposite! If Pacquiao had walked through him, everyone on this board would have said "Manny was too big," "he punches too hard," "he's on ped's," "he was cherrypicking because JMM is old" etc. Then he gets into a tough fight with Marquez and people are screaming Pac's a fraud!?! Come on, man. JMM is a legend. He was before this fight. The writing has been on the wall. He only went above 135 once and that was against the best in the world. Losing against Mayweather is no shame. Marquez fans knew he had Pacquiao's number. Pacquiao knew this was going to be a tough fight, which is why he took this training camp more seriously. It doesn't mean any less of his other accomplishments. It means Marquez and Pacquiao make for good damn fights. If you want to put Pacquiao down, drop him in your p4p rankings (which I will be), but he isn't a fraud. Give JMM his due. Geez.

Manny only took the fight because he knew all the variables would have been in the favor, there's a reason why he had that look of desperation in the final round, because he realized that his little plan to try and "out do" Floyd again had come to bite him in the ass, Pacquiao deserves NO PRAISE from last night, he lost against the man who should already be 3-0 against him or at worst 2-0-1, and yet he and his corner smiled on as if all viewing were morons, Pacquiao was stunned when the crowd turned on him and booed the decision, it was booed because the wrong man was declared the winner...AGAIN, last night is just another blotch on Pacquiao's record, and finally should open the eyes to all those who have been making him out to be this invincible larger than life boxing genius, most of Pacquiao's accomplishments 135 and up has been nothing more than nitpicking and smoke and mirrors, fuck Manny Pacquiao, Freddy Roach, and Bob Arum, most of all fuck all 3 judges from last night

How were the variables in his favor? It doesn't make any sense man. They had fought two close fights that you thought he LOST. You had him facing a guy who he had lost twice too. Thus, he choose to face a TOUGH fighter. I knew Marquez was his kriptonite. It isn't rocket science to know that Pacquaio struggles with counter punchers. So, if he was 0-2 against Marquez in some people's eyes, and then he voluntarily chooses to face him again, how is that cherrypicking or is a fraud? It seems fair and right that he would face him again. I 100% disagree with this. How does Manny deserve no praise from last night? Were you watching the fight I was? It was a scrap.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I was pulling for JMM all the way, I had him an underdog for thr same reasons as Andre.

This blew up in Arum. Roach and Pacs face. They picked a 38 year old Marquez who got dominated by Floyd at his only trip above 140.

They figured as usual it was a safe bet to put him in with a fighter with highmileage and a big name to keep the great Hype machine going, Pacquiao is bull crap ever since Diaz to the Zombie Delahoya, the already broken and Brutally Knocked out Hatton, Cotto and Margarito to a horribly faded Mosely. I wish people would finally get it

Those sneaky bastards thought that they could erase any doubt from the public outcry of the firm screwing that JMM got in their last fights by making him heavier and older absolutely banking on he lost a few steps. So the phony Myth of Pac would storm him and they would say SEE WE KO'D HIM THE TALK IS OVER!

I hope these frauds keep getting the backlash they deserve. Someone has to finally be bright enough that just because you beat a camaro in a 1/4 mile race dosent make you speed racer when you leave out the detail that the car is a 94 with 135,000 miles on it. These bullshit artists have been doing this for years and Im glad Marquez made them pay

Manny fights a tough fight against Marquez and now he's a fraud? Are you kidding me? This isn't the time to put Manny down. It's the opposite! If Pacquiao had walked through him, everyone on this board would have said "Manny was too big," "he punches too hard," "he's on ped's," "he was cherrypicking because JMM is old" etc. Then he gets into a tough fight with Marquez and people are screaming Pac's a fraud!?! Come on, man. JMM is a legend. He was before this fight. The writing has been on the wall. He only went above 135 once and that was against the best in the world. Losing against Mayweather is no shame. Marquez fans knew he had Pacquiao's number. Pacquiao knew this was going to be a tough fight, which is why he took this training camp more seriously. It doesn't mean any less of his other accomplishments. It means Marquez and Pacquiao make for good damn fights. If you want to put Pacquiao down, drop him in your p4p rankings (which I will be), but he isn't a fraud. Give JMM his due. Geez.

Manny only took the fight because he knew all the variables would have been in the favor, there's a reason why he had that look of desperation in the final round, because he realized that his little plan to try and "out do" Floyd again had come to bite him in the ass, Pacquiao deserves NO PRAISE from last night, he lost against the man who should already be 3-0 against him or at worst 2-0-1, and yet he and his corner smiled on as if all viewing were morons, Pacquiao was stunned when the crowd turned on him and booed the decision, it was booed because the wrong man was declared the winner...AGAIN, last night is just another blotch on Pacquiao's record, and finally should open the eyes to all those who have been making him out to be this invincible larger than life boxing genius, most of Pacquiao's accomplishments 135 and up has been nothing more than nitpicking and smoke and mirrors, fuck Manny Pacquiao, Freddy Roach, and Bob Arum, most of all fuck all 3 judges from last night

How were the variables in his favor? It doesn't make any sense man. They had fought two close fights that you thought he LOST. You had him facing a guy who he had lost twice too. Thus, he choose to face a TOUGH fighter. I knew Marquez was his kriptonite. It isn't rocket science to know that Pacquaio struggles with counter punchers. So, if he was 0-2 against Marquez in some people's eyes, and then he voluntarily chooses to face him again, how is that cherrypicking or is a fraud? It seems fair and right that he would face him again. I 100% disagree with this. How does Manny deserve no praise from last night? Were you watching the fight I was? It was a scrap.

are you really this dim witted or is it an act? Manny Pacquiao chose the weight (145) saying that he couldn't make 140 anymore regardless of boasting that he has to eat over 7,000 calories a day to stay at WW, there's a reason that the 3rd fight never happened when Marquez first won the lineal title at Lightweight and a reason why Pacquiao waited out till Marquez was 38 and hadn't looked as sharp in 2 of his 3 previous bouts, Manny only took on the challenge of fighting Marquez NOW cause he thought that he was there for the taking, he had the same mentality that most people on here did, that's why he made the ridiculous early KO prediction, they can fight a million times and on paper Pacquiao will apparently be awarded the gift every time, but Marquez will really win the fight, last night IMO wasn't even close i had it 8-4 for Marquez, and the fact that the only thing that gave Manny an "edge" in the other fights was eliminated (a knockdown) i don't see how anyone in their right mind can say that Pacquiao won, wtf did he do last night to deserve praise? JACKSHIT, he was schooled, beat on every exchange and then still given a gift win, this is no less a travesty than Cintron/Martinez was, again fuck Manny Pacquiao and his special treatment bullshit he's not even fit to carry JMM's jockstrap

[Rantcatrat]

I was pulling for JMM all the way, I had him an underdog for thr same reasons as Andre.

This blew up in Arum. Roach and Pacs face. They picked a 38 year old Marquez who got dominated by Floyd at his only trip above 140.

They figured as usual it was a safe bet to put him in with a fighter with highmileage and a big name to keep the great Hype machine going, Pacquiao is bull crap ever since Diaz to the Zombie Delahoya, the already broken and Brutally Knocked out Hatton, Cotto and Margarito to a horribly faded Mosely. I wish people would finally get it

Those sneaky bastards thought that they could erase any doubt from the public outcry of the firm screwing that JMM got in their last fights by making him heavier and older absolutely banking on he lost a few steps. So the phony Myth of Pac would storm him and they would say SEE WE KO'D HIM THE TALK IS OVER!

I hope these frauds keep getting the backlash they deserve. Someone has to finally be bright enough that just because you beat a camaro in a 1/4 mile race dosent make you speed racer when you leave out the detail that the car is a 94 with 135,000 miles on it. These bullshit artists have been doing this for years and Im glad Marquez made them pay

Manny fights a tough fight against Marquez and now he's a fraud? Are you kidding me? This isn't the time to put Manny down. It's the opposite! If Pacquiao had walked through him, everyone on this board would have said "Manny was too big," "he punches too hard," "he's on ped's," "he was cherrypicking because JMM is old" etc. Then he gets into a tough fight with Marquez and people are screaming Pac's a fraud!?! Come on, man. JMM is a legend. He was before this fight. The writing has been on the wall. He only went above 135 once and that was against the best in the world. Losing against Mayweather is no shame. Marquez fans knew he had Pacquiao's number. Pacquiao knew this was going to be a tough fight, which is why he took this training camp more seriously. It doesn't mean any less of his other accomplishments. It means Marquez and Pacquiao make for good damn fights. If you want to put Pacquiao down, drop him in your p4p rankings (which I will be), but he isn't a fraud. Give JMM his due. Geez.

Manny only took the fight because he knew all the variables would have been in the favor, there's a reason why he had that look of desperation in the final round, because he realized that his little plan to try and "out do" Floyd again had come to bite him in the ass, Pacquiao deserves NO PRAISE from last night, he lost against the man who should already be 3-0 against him or at worst 2-0-1, and yet he and his corner smiled on as if all viewing were morons, Pacquiao was stunned when the crowd turned on him and booed the decision, it was booed because the wrong man was declared the winner...AGAIN, last night is just another blotch on Pacquiao's record, and finally should open the eyes to all those who have been making him out to be this invincible larger than life boxing genius, most of Pacquiao's accomplishments 135 and up has been nothing more than nitpicking and smoke and mirrors, fuck Manny Pacquiao, Freddy Roach, and Bob Arum, most of all fuck all 3 judges from last night

How were the variables in his favor? It doesn't make any sense man. They had fought two close fights that you thought he LOST. You had him facing a guy who he had lost twice too. Thus, he choose to face a TOUGH fighter. I knew Marquez was his kriptonite. It isn't rocket science to know that Pacquaio struggles with counter punchers. So, if he was 0-2 against Marquez in some people's eyes, and then he voluntarily chooses to face him again, how is that cherrypicking or is a fraud? It seems fair and right that he would face him again. I 100% disagree with this. How does Manny deserve no praise from last night? Were you watching the fight I was? It was a scrap.

are you really this dim witted or is it an act? Manny Pacquiao chose the weight (145) saying that he couldn't make 140 anymore regardless of boasting that he has to eat over 7,000 calories a day to stay at WW, there's a reason that the 3rd fight never happened when Marquez first won the lineal title at Lightweight and a reason why Pacquiao waited out till Marquez was 38 and hadn't looked as sharp in 2 of his 3 previous bouts, Manny only took on the challenge of fighting Marquez NOW cause he thought that he was there for the taking, he had the same mentality that most people on here did, that's why he made the ridiculous early KO prediction, they can fight a million times and on paper Pacquiao will apparently be awarded the gift every time, but Marquez will really win the fight, last night IMO wasn't even close i had it 8-4 for Marquez, and the fact that the only thing that gave Manny an "edge" in the other fights was eliminated (a knockdown) i don't see how anyone in their right mind can say that Pacquiao won, wtf did he do last night to deserve praise? JACKSHIT, he was schooled, beat on every exchange and then still given a gift win, this is no less a travesty than Cintron/Martinez was, again fuck Manny Pacquiao and his special treatment bullshit he's not even fit to carry JMM's jockstrap

I won't be goaded into talking crap to you El Terrible. Not my style. I said from DAY ONE this was a tough fight for Pacquiao. I have been saying this since people were badmouthing him for making the fight. Go check my posts. I've been consistent. I don't see how people thought it wouldn't be after Pacquiao and Marquez had two wars in the past. I said Marquez was his kriptonite. I've been saying it. I said Marquez was a warrior and no way would he take this fight to lay down. I thought the weight wouldn't make that much of a difference because they wouldn't be far off the night of the fight (in reality Marquez weighed more). You've been bitter since Pacquiao squashed Cotto, but I'll say it again, there is no shame in that loss. Pacquiao is dominant against offensive fighters. We now know his trouble is with counter punchers. The blueprint has been out there since the last two Marquez fights that is why Floyd was a favorite in the Pacquiao fight. He's an even better counter puncher than Marquez.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I was pulling for JMM all the way, I had him an underdog for thr same reasons as Andre.

This blew up in Arum. Roach and Pacs face. They picked a 38 year old Marquez who got dominated by Floyd at his only trip above 140.

They figured as usual it was a safe bet to put him in with a fighter with highmileage and a big name to keep the great Hype machine going, Pacquiao is bull crap ever since Diaz to the Zombie Delahoya, the already broken and Brutally Knocked out Hatton, Cotto and Margarito to a horribly faded Mosely. I wish people would finally get it

Those sneaky bastards thought that they could erase any doubt from the public outcry of the firm screwing that JMM got in their last fights by making him heavier and older absolutely banking on he lost a few steps. So the phony Myth of Pac would storm him and they would say SEE WE KO'D HIM THE TALK IS OVER!

I hope these frauds keep getting the backlash they deserve. Someone has to finally be bright enough that just because you beat a camaro in a 1/4 mile race dosent make you speed racer when you leave out the detail that the car is a 94 with 135,000 miles on it. These bullshit artists have been doing this for years and Im glad Marquez made them pay

Manny fights a tough fight against Marquez and now he's a fraud? Are you kidding me? This isn't the time to put Manny down. It's the opposite! If Pacquiao had walked through him, everyone on this board would have said "Manny was too big," "he punches too hard," "he's on ped's," "he was cherrypicking because JMM is old" etc. Then he gets into a tough fight with Marquez and people are screaming Pac's a fraud!?! Come on, man. JMM is a legend. He was before this fight. The writing has been on the wall. He only went above 135 once and that was against the best in the world. Losing against Mayweather is no shame. Marquez fans knew he had Pacquiao's number. Pacquiao knew this was going to be a tough fight, which is why he took this training camp more seriously. It doesn't mean any less of his other accomplishments. It means Marquez and Pacquiao make for good damn fights. If you want to put Pacquiao down, drop him in your p4p rankings (which I will be), but he isn't a fraud. Give JMM his due. Geez.

Manny only took the fight because he knew all the variables would have been in the favor, there's a reason why he had that look of desperation in the final round, because he realized that his little plan to try and "out do" Floyd again had come to bite him in the ass, Pacquiao deserves NO PRAISE from last night, he lost against the man who should already be 3-0 against him or at worst 2-0-1, and yet he and his corner smiled on as if all viewing were morons, Pacquiao was stunned when the crowd turned on him and booed the decision, it was booed because the wrong man was declared the winner...AGAIN, last night is just another blotch on Pacquiao's record, and finally should open the eyes to all those who have been making him out to be this invincible larger than life boxing genius, most of Pacquiao's accomplishments 135 and up has been nothing more than nitpicking and smoke and mirrors, fuck Manny Pacquiao, Freddy Roach, and Bob Arum, most of all fuck all 3 judges from last night

How were the variables in his favor? It doesn't make any sense man. They had fought two close fights that you thought he LOST. You had him facing a guy who he had lost twice too. Thus, he choose to face a TOUGH fighter. I knew Marquez was his kriptonite. It isn't rocket science to know that Pacquaio struggles with counter punchers. So, if he was 0-2 against Marquez in some people's eyes, and then he voluntarily chooses to face him again, how is that cherrypicking or is a fraud? It seems fair and right that he would face him again. I 100% disagree with this. How does Manny deserve no praise from last night? Were you watching the fight I was? It was a scrap.

are you really this dim witted or is it an act? Manny Pacquiao chose the weight (145) saying that he couldn't make 140 anymore regardless of boasting that he has to eat over 7,000 calories a day to stay at WW, there's a reason that the 3rd fight never happened when Marquez first won the lineal title at Lightweight and a reason why Pacquiao waited out till Marquez was 38 and hadn't looked as sharp in 2 of his 3 previous bouts, Manny only took on the challenge of fighting Marquez NOW cause he thought that he was there for the taking, he had the same mentality that most people on here did, that's why he made the ridiculous early KO prediction, they can fight a million times and on paper Pacquiao will apparently be awarded the gift every time, but Marquez will really win the fight, last night IMO wasn't even close i had it 8-4 for Marquez, and the fact that the only thing that gave Manny an "edge" in the other fights was eliminated (a knockdown) i don't see how anyone in their right mind can say that Pacquiao won, wtf did he do last night to deserve praise? JACKSHIT, he was schooled, beat on every exchange and then still given a gift win, this is no less a travesty than Cintron/Martinez was, again fuck Manny Pacquiao and his special treatment bullshit he's not even fit to carry JMM's jockstrap

I won't be goaded into talking crap to you El Terrible. Not my style. I said from DAY ONE this was a tough fight for Pacquiao. I have been saying this since people were badmouthing him for making the fight. Go check my posts. I've been consistent. I don't see how people thought it wouldn't be after Pacquiao and Marquez had two wars in the past. I said Marquez was his kriptonite. I've been saying it. I said Marquez was a warrior and no way would he take this fight to lay down. I thought the weight wouldn't make that much of a difference because they wouldn't be far off the night of the fight (in reality Marquez weighed more). You've been bitter since Pacquiao squashed Cotto, but I'll say it again, there is no shame in that loss. Pacquiao is dominant against offensive fighters. We now know his trouble is with counter punchers. The blueprint has been out there since the last two Marquez fights that is why Floyd was a favorite in the Pacquiao fight. He's an even better counter puncher than Marquez.

bitter since the Cotto fight? I gave Manny full credit for his win against Cotto, even if Miguel went into that fight with literally no corner, but that was his mistake not Pacquiao's, I've been sick on Manny ever since he and his puppeteer Freddie Roach manipulate every single detail of the fight to be in Manny's favor, catchweights, gloves that are lighter than required for his specific weight class, it's ridiculous, and now Arum's resorted to putting officials in his pocket to protect his investment, i'm seriously done with all of this bullshit, Arum and most of the Top Rank stable have turned into huge jokes, next week's Chavez Jr Vs Manfredo fight is another shining example of this bullshit

[generalbulldog]

Well, well, well, hindsight is really something. I remember people here felt differently at the time of those fights against fighters like Cotto and Hatton. Now Pac cherry picked those guys for easy wins. Should have said that then and not now. It's disingenuous tbh.

Just like I said that JMM won't go past 5 with this version of Pac. I was wrong, no going back on what I said and made up some excuses with hindsight.

[Rantcatrat]

Well, well, well, hindsight is really something. I remember people here felt differently at the time of those fights against fighters like Cotto and Hatton. Now Pac cherry picked those guys for easy wins. Should have said that then and not now. It's disingenuous tbh.

Just like I said that JMM won't go past 5 with this version of Pac. I was wrong, no going back on what I said and made up some excuses with hindsight.

Now THAT is an honest post.