Not a ROBBERY Please look :D

[Pugilistic]

The fact you have to twist and take other fight fans scores and mix them up to get a Pacquiao win is a joke.

The point is those 5 posters (including me) had Marquez winning. Not Pacquiao.

I am not twisting anything. I got the data from the 5 of you.


and its SHOWS that 9 ROunds were not CLEAR


If 9 ROUNDS werent clear. some of the judges can see it for Pacquiao as they did.

So according to the results you displayed us 5 posters agreed that 9 rounds were up for debate but that means there was 3 rounds Marquez definitely won which means he only needs another 4 rounds for a win.

To give Pacquiao a win it would mean giving him all the close rounds.

[miron_lang]

Finally got the fight. Ive seen the first 3 rounds and definately PAC won 1 and 3. and good claim at round 2 as well.


Pugilistic


since no one among the 5 of you gave round 3 to PAC are you willing to debate with me that Pacquiao won round 3? lets make a thread about it.

I am watching ROUND 3 right now for the 2nd time and IMO it is a CLEAR ROUND for Pacquiao.

[Pugilistic]

Finally got the fight. Ive seen the first 3 rounds and definately PAC won 1 and 3. and good claim at round 2 as well.


Pugilistic


since no one among the 5 of you gave round 3 to PAC are you willing to debate with me that Pacquiao won round 3? lets make a thread about it.

I am watching ROUND 3 right now for the 2nd time and IMO it is a CLEAR ROUND for Pacquiao.

I will rewatch it tomorrow and post my scores,etc.

P.S Round 1 was not a clear Pacquiao round. Neither fighter did alot, i gave it to Pac for being slightly busier.

It could of easily of went Marquez's way though.

[Gandalf]

Finally got the fight. Ive seen the first 3 rounds and definately PAC won 1 and 3. and good claim at round 2 as well.


Pugilistic


since no one among the 5 of you gave round 3 to PAC are you willing to debate with me that Pacquiao won round 3? lets make a thread about it.

I am watching ROUND 3 right now for the 2nd time and IMO it is a CLEAR ROUND for Pacquiao.

Rounds 2 through to 5 were obviously for Marquez. Going into the second half he was up 4-2. You could make a claim for it being 5-1 if you edge the first to Marquez.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Rounds 2 through to 5 were obviously for Marquez. Going into the second half he was up 4-2. You could make a claim for it being 5-1 if you edge the first to Marquez.

ElTerribleMorales obviously missed that. He gave round 4 to Pac.

Round 4: Pacquiao, finally starts throwing more and landing the left, Marquez lands a couple nice right counters but is out worked and out landed

[ElTerribleMorales]

Rounds 2 through to 5 were obviously for Marquez. Going into the second half he was up 4-2. You could make a claim for it being 5-1 if you edge the first to Marquez.

ElTerribleMorales obviously missed that. He gave round 4 to Pac.

Round 4: Pacquiao, finally starts throwing more and landing the left, Marquez lands a couple nice right counters but is out worked and out landed

the mere fact that Miron is trying to give the 2nd round a clear cut round for Marque to Manny just proves that all of you fanboys are just reaching for everyone to accept the bullshit that Manny got the nod, it's as simple as this, Manny never landed anything as cleanly or as sharply as Marquez did, and Marquez landed and he did so often

[miron_lang]

all these round to fighter A fighter B are meaningless unless you give the time and how they landed.

Stop cheer leading for your fighter. and open your eyes and see the rounds and mark the time and lets compare.


Round 1 is indeed clear for Pacquiao here's why

no one landed in a war of jabs but @ the 30 secs and 10 secs marks. Pacquiao landed two left straights


Round 2 is up for grab defending on what you are looking for ( We call this Variable round )

Round 3 is clear for Pacquiao and here's what i saw

Pac landed a right hook @2:41
JMM landed an uppercut and a right straight combination @ Pac's shoulders
Pac land a good straight left @ 2:13
JMM landed a stiff left jab @ 46 mark
Solid right hook to end the round @ 8 by Pac ( Best punch of the round )
JMM left to the body @04
Pac finishes with a flurry


*if i miss something tell the time we'll add it up and compare.

im at round 4 now

[ElTerribleMorales]

all these round to fighter A fighter B are meaningless unless you give the time and how they landed.

Stop cheer leading for your fighter. and open your eyes and see the rounds and mark the time and lets compare.


Round 1 is indeed clear for Pacquiao here's why

no one landed in a war of jabs but @ the 30 secs and 10 secs marks. Pacquiao landed two left straights AND MARQUEZ' SHOT'S TO MANNY'S BODY DON'T COUNT WHY?


Round 2 is up for grab defending on what you are looking for ( We call this Variable round ) MARQUEZ COUNTERED MANNY MOST OF THE ROUND AND LANDED THE BETTER PUNCHES

Round 3 is clear for Pacquiao and here's what i saw

Pac landed a right hook @2:41
JMM landed an uppercut and a right straight combination @ Pac's shoulders
Pac land a good straight left @ 2:13
JMM landed a stiff left jab @ 46 mark
Solid right hook to end the round @ 8 by Pac ( Best punch of the round )
JMM left to the body @04
Pac finishes with a flurry


*if i miss something tell the time we'll add it up and compare.

im at round 4 now

I already put in my main critiques

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Rounds 2 through to 5 were obviously for Marquez. Going into the second half he was up 4-2. You could make a claim for it being 5-1 if you edge the first to Marquez.

ElTerribleMorales obviously missed that. He gave round 4 to Pac.

Round 4: Pacquiao, finally starts throwing more and landing the left, Marquez lands a couple nice right counters but is out worked and out landed

the mere fact that Miron is trying to give the 2nd round a clear cut round for Marque to Manny just proves that all of you fanboys are just reaching for everyone to accept the bullshit that Manny got the nod, it's as simple as this, Manny never landed anything as cleanly or as sharply as Marquez did, and Marquez landed and he did so often

I don't think any Pac fanboy here is trying to convince anyone that Manny clearly won the fight. As you can see, noone is even gloating from that win. As I have said before, it is a very close fight that could have gone either way. It's the claim of robbery that miron_lang came up with what seems to be a compelling reason as to why it is not.

In a very close fight, the bias will definitely show. And I agree that there is a bias in the way a judge scored it hugely in Pac's favor.

[miron_lang]

the mere fact that Miron is trying to give the 2nd round a clear cut round for Marque to Manny just proves that all of you fanboys are just reaching for everyone to accept the bullshit that Manny got the nod, it's as simple as this, Manny never landed anything as cleanly or as sharply as Marquez did, and Marquez landed and he did so often

You have round 2 as clear cut for Marquez ?

can u post the time at which he landed those shots pls.


lets not antagonize each other and contribute inputs in determining who won these rounds. Anything you say againts those who support Pacquiao applies to those who support JMM as well.

[miron_lang]

What are the time marks EL Terrible?

we can consolidate later.


i am at round 4 but i need to do something for a while. i'll post tomorrow.

[Beanz]

Finally got the fight. Ive seen the first 3 rounds and definately PAC won 1 and 3. and good claim at round 2 as well.


Pugilistic

since no one among the 5 of you gave round 3 to PAC are you willing to debate with me that Pacquiao won round 3? lets make a thread about it.

I am watching ROUND 3 right now for the 2nd time and IMO it is a CLEAR ROUND for Pacquiao.

Surely you are jesting. You had the temerity to post a thread flying in the face of majority opinion,common sense,and public indignation from a position of extreme ignorance having not even watched the fight? !!! like Bilbo who watched it on a mobile and then cherry picked so called boxing experts based on them supporting his very weak argument.You have no right to air any opinion if all you are basing it on is other peoples posts. Really you are clutching at straws. It seems you, Fenster and Bilbo think that agreeing with the majority will undermine some mythical kudos and so to underline your specialness you have to disagree with reality.
Re: Not a ROBBERY Please look

Greenbeanz


ROBBERIES = FIGHT you CLEARLY WON but was AWARDED TO THE OTHER FIGHTER


IF 9 Potential rounds are there for Pacquiao to claim then this is not a robbery. I thought that was simple enough.

you are correct JMM clearly won. Nobody gave Pacquiao 9 rounds. NOBODY. ZILCH. ZERO. tHe most given to him by the super 5 was 5 three gave him 4 rounds and one only 2.
So i may be a little rusty on maths but to get an average using your logic 5 posts over 12 rounds equals 60 rounds. the 5 posts gave Pacquiao a total of 20 rounds. thats 20 out of 60 one third. one third of 12 rounds is 4. 4 rounds not 9.There is never in any scenario 9 potential rounds for Pacquiao only 4 at most. The problem is your logic is not simple it requires the universe to be turned on it's head. Being given a win in such a manner is not only bad for boxing it is bad for Manny. It tarnishes his career it puts into question other results so even Pac fanboys should be and are disappointed. I was not rooting for any particular fighter like many i called it as i saw it. So before you start accusing people of bias maybe you should look in the mirror. Robbery.FACT, FACT nailed on, indisputable,Mutha**ckin FACT

[Fenster]

Greenbeanz, I haven't even said who I thought won. So for the record - I think Marquez won. That makes him 3-0 over Pac in my book.

However, not ONE single fight was a ROBBERY and I scored the 2nd fight widest of all. Fact.

[Gandalf]

Greenbeanz, I haven't even said who I thought won. So for the record - I think Marquez won. That makes him 3-0 over Pac in my book.

However, not ONE single fight was a ROBBERY and I scored the 2nd fight widest of all. Fact.

Fenster, I would like to see how you scored the fight.

[Fenster]

Greenbeanz, I haven't even said who I thought won. So for the record - I think Marquez won. That makes him 3-0 over Pac in my book.

However, not ONE single fight was a ROBBERY and I scored the 2nd fight widest of all. Fact.

Fenster, I would like to see how you scored the fight.

I don't ever write down rd-by-rds (unless I specifically rewatch a fight for something). I just ENJOY the contest.

I thought it could have gone either way with Marquez edging it. Numbers are utterly irrelevant for someone coming from my rational position. Who won means nothing to me. Reverse the decision and I will argue the EXACT same thing. NO robbery.