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[Gandalf]

A judge is someone that is paid to evaluate the fight arbitrarily and to a degree I think people watching the fight do the same. You are supporting a fighter, but you know who won a round or not. A judge shouldn't be clouded by any of that, but it seems almost as though they have attempted to give Manny absolutely everything and did so. That is not how you evaluate a fight. And I am sick of hearing this 'but you have to take it from the champ' nonsense. Again, a fight is scored round by round. You don't give a close round to someone because you think he is champ. You sit back for 30 seconds and run it all back through your mind. Who was the better fighter for those 3 minutes? And then you check your box.

Even though boxing scoring is not an exact science, you expect the quality to shine through in the score cards to some degree but the cards really made little sense. I knew on hearing the first card it would be stolen and I was right. The last card was just a kick at anyone who sees sense. And on seeing the cards later you just think 'WTF?'

A total nonsense.

[Fenster]

A judge is someone that is paid to evaluate the fight arbitrarily and to a degree I think people watching the fight do the same. You are supporting a fighter, but you know who won a round or not. A judge shouldn't be clouded by any of that, but it seems almost as though they have attempted to give Manny absolutely everything and did so. That is not how you evaluate a fight. And I am sick of hearing this 'but you have to take it from the champ' nonsense. Again, a fight is scored round by round. You don't give a close round to someone because you think he is champ. You sit back for 30 seconds and run it all back through your mind. Who was the better fighter for those 3 minutes? And then you check your box.

Even though boxing scoring is not an exact science, you expect the quality to shine through in the score cards to some degree but the cards really made little sense. I knew on hearing the first card it would be stolen and I was right. The last card was just a kick at anyone who sees sense. And on seeing the cards later you just think 'WTF?'

A total nonsense.

The exact same can be levelled at you, or anyone that supports any fighter for that matter.

You wanted Marquez to win. You scored a lot of close rounds for Marquez. How can we trust your judgement wasn't influenced by your support for Marquez? Your scorecard is clealry unreliable.

The cards made little sense because of the closeness of the rounds.

[Gandalf]

A judge is someone that is paid to evaluate the fight arbitrarily and to a degree I think people watching the fight do the same. You are supporting a fighter, but you know who won a round or not. A judge shouldn't be clouded by any of that, but it seems almost as though they have attempted to give Manny absolutely everything and did so. That is not how you evaluate a fight. And I am sick of hearing this 'but you have to take it from the champ' nonsense. Again, a fight is scored round by round. You don't give a close round to someone because you think he is champ. You sit back for 30 seconds and run it all back through your mind. Who was the better fighter for those 3 minutes? And then you check your box.

Even though boxing scoring is not an exact science, you expect the quality to shine through in the score cards to some degree but the cards really made little sense. I knew on hearing the first card it would be stolen and I was right. The last card was just a kick at anyone who sees sense. And on seeing the cards later you just think 'WTF?'

A total nonsense.

The exact same can be levelled at you, or anyone that supports any fighter for that matter.

You wanted Marquez to win. You scored a lot of close rounds for Marquez. How can we trust your judgement wasn't influenced by your support for Marquez? Your scorecard is clealry unreliable.

The cards made little sense because of the closeness of the rounds.

I gave the rounds that I believed were closest to Manny because I felt that I had to be as impartial as best I could. If I was being mean I would have had it 10-2, 8-4 was a display of impartiality on my part.

Some of the rounds were close for sure, but the clear Marquez ones seemed to outweigh them and that seems to be what others were seeing too. I keep on arguing the point that we can just discount my own views and the consensus still exists. My own possibly 'unreliable' card is only one in a great ocean of the buggers.

And in response to your last post Fenster, I watched the fight first time out for the event too. And I loved it and had no doubt that Marquez won. I only scored it properly on watching it again.

I don't see how Manny won. He was fighting at the pace of Marquez and practically gifted him numerous rounds. None of the so called improvements were there and Marquez fought like he knew that.