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    Quote Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX View Post
    So, you're saying if one judge has a fight 120-108, and another judge has the same fight 120-108 the other way, that's perfectly reasonable as long as there's at least one person who agrees with each judge on each of the 12 rounds? You're right...it's hilarious!

    It happened in the 1st and 2nd fight for two judges. the other one decides. It happens when rounds are extremely close.

    I cant believe too many boxing forumers doesnt get this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX View Post
    So, you're saying if one judge has a fight 120-108, and another judge has the same fight 120-108 the other way, that's perfectly reasonable as long as there's at least one person who agrees with each judge on each of the 12 rounds? You're right...it's hilarious!

    It happened in the 1st and 2nd fight for two judges. the other one decides. It happens when rounds are extremely close.

    I cant believe too many boxing forumers doesnt get this.
    I suspect it's not that people don't get it, but rather that they disagree about the significance of it. If same fighter gets all eight of the 50-50 rounds, you can't complain about any of the rounds, but you can complain about the fight. It's like a roulette wheel that comes up red every time. There's no reason it shouldn't have on any given spin, but when it happens every time, there's a question in the whole that isn't necessarily just answered by the sum of the parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX View Post
    I suspect it's not that people don't get it, but rather that they disagree about the significance of it. If same fighter gets all eight of the 50-50 rounds, you can't complain about any of the rounds, but you can complain about the fight. It's like a roulette wheel that comes up red every time. There's no reason it shouldn't have on any given spin, but when it happens every time, there's a question in the whole that isn't necessarily just answered by the sum of the parts.
    It would appear that sometime it is wrong but that is the way in scoring fights ( 10 pt must

    ALL CLOSE or UNCLEAR ROUNDS most likely wont be split between the fighters but to the fighters work of his preference.

    Example.


    Johny vs Pedro

    Round 1 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 2 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 3 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 4 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 5 : Johny Dominates Pedro

    Round 6 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference ( Agression, Defense blah blah blah )

    Round 7 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 8 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 9 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 10 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 11 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 12 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference



    Pedro wins and Johny appears to be robbed in the eyes of the crowd. but the official winner is Pedro 115-113.



    If a judge split the even rounds then question of consistency comes to play.

    Does a judge gives the next even round to Fighter A because he gave the previous even round to figter B? That type of judging is more open to question IMO. Judges must be consistent.
    Last edited by miron_lang; 11-17-2011 at 05:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post
    It would appear that sometime it is wrong but that is the way in scoring fights ( 10 pt must

    ALL CLOSE or UNCLEAR ROUNDS most likely wont be split between the fighters but to the fighters work of his preference.

    Example.


    Johny vs Pedro

    Round 1 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 2 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 3 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 4 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 5 : Johny Dominates Pedro

    Round 6 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference ( Agression, Defense blah blah blah )

    Round 7 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 8 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 9 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 10 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 11 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 12 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference


    Pedro wins and Johny appears to be robbed in the eyes of the crowd. but the official winner is Pedro 115-113.

    If a judge split the even rounds then question of consistency comes to play.

    Does a judge gives the next even round to Fighter A because he gave the previous even round to figter B? That type of judging is more open to question IMO. Judges must be consistent.
    Can it be Bill vs. Tom?
    Instead of Johny vs. Pedro?

    When I read your post it just doesn't flow when I say Johny and then Pedro...
    Last edited by CutMeMick; 11-17-2011 at 05:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post
    I suspect it's not that people don't get it, but rather that they disagree about the significance of it. If same fighter gets all eight of the 50-50 rounds, you can't complain about any of the rounds, but you can complain about the fight. It's like a roulette wheel that comes up red every time. There's no reason it shouldn't have on any given spin, but when it happens every time, there's a question in the whole that isn't necessarily just answered by the sum of the parts.

    It would appear that sometime it is wrong but that is the way in scoring fights ( 10 pt must

    ALL CLOSE or UNCLEAR ROUNDS most likely wont be split between the fighters but to the fighters work of his preference.

    Example.


    Johny vs Pedro

    Round 1 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 2 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 3 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 4 : Johny Dominates Pedro
    Round 5 : Johny Dominates Pedro

    Round 6 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference ( Agression, Defense blah blah blah )

    Round 7 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 8 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 9 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 10 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 11 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference
    Round 12 : 50-50 Judges give round to pedro because of their preference


    Pedro wins and Johny appears to be robbed in the eyes of the crowd. but the official winner is Pedro 115-113.

    If a judge split the even rounds then question of consistency comes to play.

    Does a judge gives the next even round to Fighter A because he gave the previous even round to figter B? That type of judging is more open to question IMO. Judges must be consistent.
    Can it be Bill vs. Tom?
    Instead of Johny vs. Pedro?

    When I read your post it just doesn't flow when I say Johny and then Pedro...

    I should have used Juan and Pedro but Marquez's first name is Juan.


    but you're right. I'll use more appropriate names next time

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    No worries, next time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by miron_lang View Post

    Pac's were harder. JMM is visibly shaken everytime. and Pac were almost on attack mode when receiving those blows while Marquez was always on defensive stance.

    notice how most of the time Marquez were still back pedalling despite landing some combos.

    ==

    Pac move forward when he lands and move forward when got tagged
    JMM move backward when he lands and move backward when got tagged.


    This has INFLUENCE on the judges as Many times been mentioned before.
    What fight were you watching ? shaken up everytime Pacquiao landed ? please.

    Marquez was the one shaking up Pacquiao with his punches.

    Marquez is a counter puncher. If backing up/ fighting on the backfoot in a fight even after landing means you deserve to lose then Mayweather shouldn't be undefeated.

    Being over aggressive against Pacquiao cost Marquez in previous fights so he was smart to back up after landing good combinations.

    The majority feel Marquez landed the better punches and got the better of Pacquiao in the other scoring criterias like ring generalship, defence and effective aggression.

    Quote Originally Posted by :::PSL::: View Post
    I was basing that comment on their last sat's official scorecards. He needed to score multiple KDs to win.

    Knockdowns counts. They are big deal. A 10-6, 10-7, or 10-8 round is always better that 10-9 round.
    10 - 8, 10-7, etc is obviously better than a 10-9 round and it can be the difference between a fighter winning and losing especially when the fights are close.

    In regards to their first two fights it had it's effects on the scorecards. Those fights were very close and I have no problem with those fights going either way.

    I thought Pacquiao was the the winner of the first fight and Marquez was the winner of the second fight.

    This third fight was a Marquez fight. He should of won. The majority of fans agree with me. A judge would have to be generous to Pacquiao to give him a win imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post

    What fight were you watching ?
    Probably the same fight.

    BUT

    We;re not looking at the same thing that's why we dont have the same score.

    That fight can be interpreted in a lot of different ways that even 117-111 either way is justifiable.

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