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i saw most of the rounds as almost even punch for punch.
i believe the rounds that marquez won, he won more clearly than pac those that pac won...
but there were alot of rounds that were so close that they really could have gone either way. they were within an effective punch of each other almost the whole way thru the fight.

at the start of the 10th round harold letterman explains that when a fight is so close, you look to other things such as aggressiveness, defense and ringeneralship. which is where pac shows his dominance.

i'm no pac fan. i wanted marquez to win....but after watching the fight really closely i saw pac with rounds 1,3,4,6,9,10,12 mar 2,5,7,8,11. i believe tha 10th was there for marquez but he decided to counterpunch the last half of the round instead of asserting himself.

other quotes from the commentators that i found valuable... stewart said that we shouldn't confuse a fighter doing better than expected with winning a fight.
...and around the 3rd round either letterman or stewart asked about whether marquez's style of subtle counterpunching would really score him as many points as pac's very animated and always moving forward aggressive style.

it was a great fight tho.

Pacquiao did not dominate those catergories, he didn't even win them for the most part.

Pacquiao was aggressive and he did come forward but the judges score "effective" aggression or are supposed to anyway.

Marquez was more effective with his aggression than Pacquiao was which is evident by the fact he landed the cleaner more effective punches round by round.

How can Pacquiao dominate the defense catergory when he is the one getting hit with the cleaner punches all night ? point is he didn't. Marquez was the better defensive fighter on the night.

Ring generalship is how the pace of the fight goes and which fighter is the one setting the pace for the most part.

Pacquiao was fighting at Marquez's pace the whole night. I can't see how Pacquiao "dominated" in this catergory either.

Marquez won.

He wasn't pretty with his work and some rounds were close but you can't deny that he was the rightful winner after 12 rounds.

Neither of them dominated the fight. But the fact that Pacquiao threw more punches and connected more (both power punches and jabs), imo he did enough to win the fight. With that being said, Pacquiao was evidently the agressive one. Plus he didn't bitch out in the 12th round.

Being aggressive and "effectively" aggressive are two different things. Pacquiao had his moments but for the most part, Marquez was the more effective aggressor.

I can agree with Pacquiao throwing more but landing more ? please.

Compubox is lame before you try and give that as evidence on a Pacquiao win.

Two guys counting missed and landed punches doesn't sound like it can be very accurate to me.

Did you have the best seat when you watch the fight? Well, those two guys did.

These guys too...



I'm talking about the judges ofcourse.

Well if you think compubox is reliable then i guess Marquez was the rightful winner of their 2nd fight.

Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Manny Pacquiao (2nd meeting) - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

And the first fight.

Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Manny Pacquiao (1st meeting) - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Based on the super "reliable" compubox numbers.

Lol! Yeah. But let's not forget. Those 3 KDs still counts. Those were the money punches that really hurt JMM on judges scorecards. Technically, it was suppose to be a win by Pac. One judge didn't know it was a 10-6 round. He acknowledged that.

Pac scored KDs both in those fights.

What he should have done last saturday was KO Pac or score 3 KDs to win. But we saw none of that.

Your right.

Knockdowns do affect the scoring but a knockdown only counts for 1 point.

The first fight had three of them so Marquez was in a big hole very early but the second fight only had one which would of been very easy for Marquez to overcome and based on the "compubox" numbers, Marquez was the better more consistent fighter.

i'm laughing my ass off at your last comment in the bold by the way. What Marquez should of done is either KO pacquiao which hasn't been done in years or at least drop him a few times which again hasn't been done in forever to get a win.

Last time i checked a fighter can beat another fighter by simply winning more rounds than he does which is what Marquez did.

I was basing that comment on their last sat's official scorecards. He needed to score multiple KDs to win.

Knockdowns counts. They are big deal. A 10-6, 10-7, or 10-8 round is always better that 10-9 round.