Authenticy in broadcasting and scoring of boxing matches - example: JMM vs Pac

[erics44]

honestly man this thread is a bit far fetched

to suggest that everytime marquez landed cleanly the HBO commentators missed it and thats why they scored it for pac

I wasn't at all suggesting that the HBO commentators missed all of Marquez's offense. As ICB just clarified, I only said that their praising of Pac was above and beyond what was actually happening at the time.. and on the flip-side, they didn't speak up for a few key Marquez moments. That is all. It just begs to question.
Although maybe you're right - maybe this whole conspiracy web that I've mapped out is a bit far fetched.... how am I going to know without discussion?

i watched the primetime version and i think it was opposite to what you are describing

pac would land and there would be little comment and marquez would land an equal punch and they would all ejaculate

there is no conspiracy, it was a very close fight, i thought pac won you didnt, and its reasonably evenly split, yes there is probably more for marquez but the split of opinion is a lot closer than the pro marquez mob are making out

You mean there is really two versions of the fight: HBO and Primetime. Just like fan johnny, I thought there is only the HBO broadcast and the rest just picks up on that broadcast but uses different commentators.

Where did they show the Primetime version?

on Primetime

you could watch the same fight commentated on by 10 different sets of commentators and get different angles on the fight and your opinion will no doubt be influence (not neccessarily swayed) by the commentating you are listening to

its not supprising that such a close fight was seen so differently by 2 different sets of commentators

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I thought there is only the HBO broadcast and the rest just picks up on that broadcast but uses different commentators. [/B]

Where did they show the Primetime version?

on Primetime

you could watch the same fight commentated on by 10 different sets of commentators and get different angles on the fight and your opinion will no doubt be influence (not neccessarily swayed) by the commentating you are listening to

its not supprising that such a close fight was seen so differently by 2 different sets of commentators

I mean which country? Was that Primetime also shown in the US?

[CFH]

I thought there is only the HBO broadcast and the rest just picks up on that broadcast but uses different commentators. [/B]

Where did they show the Primetime version?

on Primetime

you could watch the same fight commentated on by 10 different sets of commentators and get different angles on the fight and your opinion will no doubt be influence (not neccessarily swayed) by the commentating you are listening to

its not supprising that such a close fight was seen so differently by 2 different sets of commentators

I mean which country? Was that Primetime also shown in the US?

I'm pretty sure Primetime is in the UK.

[fan johnny]

I thought there is only the HBO broadcast and the rest just picks up on that broadcast but uses different commentators. [/B]

Where did they show the Primetime version?

on Primetime

you could watch the same fight commentated on by 10 different sets of commentators and get different angles on the fight and your opinion will no doubt be influence (not neccessarily swayed) by the commentating you are listening to

its not supprising that such a close fight was seen so differently by 2 different sets of commentators

I mean which country? Was that Primetime also shown in the US?

I'm pretty sure Primetime is in the UK.

It's the exact same HBO telecast view.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Original.../8/T_EpGRREqXg

[erics44]

I thought there is only the HBO broadcast and the rest just picks up on that broadcast but uses different commentators. [/B]

Where did they show the Primetime version?

on Primetime

you could watch the same fight commentated on by 10 different sets of commentators and get different angles on the fight and your opinion will no doubt be influence (not neccessarily swayed) by the commentating you are listening to

its not supprising that such a close fight was seen so differently by 2 different sets of commentators

I mean which country? Was that Primetime also shown in the US?

I'm pretty sure Primetime is in the UK.

It's the exact same HBO telecast view.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Original.../8/T_EpGRREqXg

so the HBO version is the same as the primetime version and someone was telling me they were pro pac?

this really is a mixed up fight

[Mattyhitman]

Best thing to do is not listen to the commentators. Turn the volume down and watch the fight, then see how differently ya score to when ya listening to commentators.
As for camera angle, I cannot see how different it would be. Generally ya get 1/2 camera's ringside, invariably operated by the same broadcaster.

[J_Undisputed]

Someone like Many Steward is trying to do his part to promote and push the network fighter. It sounds odd, forced, fake, hollow, etc. because he's still a trainer trying to be analyst. Whereas merchant, lamps, kellerman, Ledderman have been practicing and honing their bull$h*t for a while. It always sounds more disappointing coming from Roy, Manny or someone who has actually been in boxing ring because we expect them to know better or speak the truth and not BS us on stuff like that.

I dont think the camera angles were deliberately orchestrated in anyway to sway opinion. The commentating is definitely skewed to preserve the cash inflow. Its only when they need to change things up that the commentators read some websites and borrow the fans cynicism for a fresh angle.... They flip flop back and forth on their own fighters as is convenient. Yes (network fighter) is so completely skillfull.. light years ahead of his competition. .. blah blah blah. BOOM.... and oh my god a vicious right hand from the young determined unheralded super underdog... etc etc.. has knocked out previously untouched.... blah blah This one will be talked about for years to come" ... next week.. the nobody with the lucky punch has got a 3 fight contract for HBO and everybodys already building him up and showing the lucky punch from 97 different angles... and theyre sending a camera crew to his ailing grandmothers house who hocked her oxygen tank for bail money so that he could make bail and continue his education and stay out of trouble or something....

Trainers and fighters are bad at selling... which is why they either shut the hell up .. or say the something retarded and completely out of left field at a press conference... they're used to leaving the selling to the promoters.

[SweetPea]

I watched the fight again on Friday, and it fully sunk in just how bad of a job was done by Lampley, Steward and Lederman.

Lampley exploded any time Pacquiao did anything, and was dead silent during a dozen different flush shots landed by Marquez.

Steward didn't say anything other than "Manny just looks so strong", which had nothing to do with how the fight was actually going.

Then, later in the fight, when Lederman was explaining why he had Pacquiao so far ahead, he said he thought Pacquiao was the better defensive fighter because "Marquez's face is swelling, Manny's isn't." He completely ignored the fact that Manny had blood pouring from his mouth.

I thought Kellerman did a very good job, especially considering that the 3 guys next to him were terrible.