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Right, and even though I don't agree, I don't have a problem with anyone who thought it was a close fight, that Marquez won. What gets me is how it seemed like almost everyone was saying that Marquez had won a clearcut decision and/or dominated the fight, which wasn't the case at all. And then all the horseshit started up about Marquez getting robbed, which also wasn't the case.Originally Posted by CFH
As for Pac-JMM IV, I couldn't care less if it ever happens.
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lt was a great great fight. i really enjoyed it. Too bad some people still think it was a robbery.
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Yep, it was a great fight, there was one round, perhaps the 8th that was one of the best rounds i've ever seen in boxing. The action was tremendous, 2 of the best pugs in the world going toe to toe, it doesn't get much better then that.
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It's not just "some" people. Go to HBO Boxing and see the big percentage of people who voted that JMM was robbed. Did you see the JC Chavez Jr. fight last saturday? Did you see the HBO polls as well as the experts/commentator polls? It's way more than "some" people that think JMM got robbed.
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Final thoughts: Pacquaio was off his game, Marquez was really switched on and gave it his all. Pacquaio was lucky to get the win, i had him winning, but would've had no problem if Marquez got the decision, so it was very close. Pacquaio has a lot going on in his life right now, (maybe to much going on and this was a distraction going into this fight?) He could be on the decline, his next fight will determine that. I would still like to see him fight Floyd in May, but i'm not holding my breath. Not sure if a 4th Marquez fight is warranted or overkill.
If Floyd doesn't fight him in May then throw Khan to the wolves and get him in with the Pacman. If Khan doesn't get Pacquaio then he should fight Marquez.
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A clear win for Marquez. Pac defenders and money-hungry promoters insist it was a close fight, but the majority of boxing fans agree that it was a robbery. Not at all a domination, but a clear decision win for Marquez. It's sad that corruption exists at this level of boxing.
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Post that hogwash somewhere else.
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Mate, i have very little feeling towards pac or marquez, id say my view is as impartial as any, and i thought pac won
I think there are examples of decisions that suggest boxing is corrupt but this isnt one of them
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People on here in Saddo, characters and personalities we've all learned to respect through all our years of pugilistic acquaintance, disputes or alliances, but who are blessed with the pugnacity to stick to impartiality restores this site's healthy image as an avenue where fair interchange for anything boxing is given preference, accorded reverence over "topical" falsehoods, bigotry, and the plain ol' bullcrap! Kudos to all of you...
Thankful that with this view, it has provided a gravitating reason for people with the good sense for fairplay to stay on with Saddo, keep involved... active and however despite the tiniest of contributions exercise the privilege to interchange boxing notes and ideas.
That said... I myself would have felt bad for Manny had he had not received a favorable decision and lost. I felt he won a close UD. Had he not been the champion, easily a draw or losing 7-5 or 115-113 is not at all far fetched... it was that close. After viewing the fight on replays... even tho' it was that close, under those circumstances, I felt that Juan Manuel did not give a convincing enough effort to snatch the championship from the titleholder. He did not even get in the ring at fight night with the concept of leaving everything in the ring.
Leaving everything in the ring is exemplified by an exhaustive effort to knock the other guy out or at least provide the most effective aggression to cause damage and firmly establish dominance over his counterpart.
What comes to mind to depict such a situation is the night in Zaire, where Muhammad Ali's knocked out the "Big Bad" George Foremen. Muhammad Ali, a 7-1 underdog coming into the fight, and despite the peril for his health as a possible conclusion looming large, as George during that time, delivered those kind of performances, Ali came to fight night with pure "bad intentions". It did not take more than the first few rounds, to establish that there was an obvious powershift for the possible outcome purely from the skill alone on display that night. Ali through superior ring generalship and "timed aggression" provided a clear picture of dominance. This too, as JMM's was from a defensive stance.. To cut it short... he achieved the impossible... he knocked the seemingly indestructible champion in only eight rounds! Need be told... Ali did not even need that knockout that night to strip the crown off of George Foreman's head. That is what dominance is!
This most definitely is not of the back-pedalling variety, JMM version, vainly hoping to dethrone the heavily favored champ on a safe, although time tested, a marginally low return winning scheme!
Other fine examples come to mind.... need not go into details but the mere mention of the principals is by itself, self explanatory . Hagler versus Hearns, where Marvin was size wise dominated, needed only a knockout to beat Tommy Hearns. He did do that and knocked the "Motorcity Cobra" , to my chagrin, in three. Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson, Savador Sanchez versus champ Danny Lopez!
Those are but a few examples where the challenger, except for the "Hagler", was severely the underdog, still came to fight night with the right attitude and game plan to leave no stones unturned.
Sadly, as good as Juan Manuel Marquez was that night against Pacquiao, for their third install, it was not to be. It was a performance that did not present a clear cut type of conclusion in a fight with a decision.
My apologies, I've rambled on... but some points need be made.
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I suspected that you were bias when you started that thread on 'Authenticity in broadcasting .....' with the way you responded to a comment and this confirms it.
Not at all a domination by EITHER fighter.
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I started this thread for everyone to post some "civil" final thoughts on Pac-JMM III, BranMan is trying to hijack the thread and turn it into a pissing contest, he needs to fuck off.I suspected that you were bias when you started that thread on 'Authenticity in broadcasting .....' with the way you responded to a comment and this confirms it.
Not at all a domination by EITHER fighter.
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I give Marquez credit for making Pac look bad, but I didn't think Pacquiao really fought all that bad. Pac did the best he could do against, a determined, discipled Marquez, who surprised everyone, including Pacquiao and Roach, with how much he had left in the tank.
For the time being, enough with Pac-JMM fights, time to move on.
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oh yeah? explain to me how he got robbed.It's not just "some" people. Go to HBO Boxing and see the big percentage of people who voted that JMM was robbed. Did you see the JC Chavez Jr. fight last saturday? Did you see the HBO polls as well as the experts/commentator polls? It's way more than "some" people that think JMM got robbed.
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It's been explained far too many times already on these forums. Marquez was in control the entire fight, landing the clean effective blows - any time Pac let his hands go he would get countered. It would've been generous to have given Pac 4 rounds. For the judges to mess up not only the scores on the last fight (which Marquez won too, albeit was a bit closer), but to give Pac the win when he was clearly beaten this time round is disgusting. The almighty dollar won this one for Pac.oh yeah? explain to me how he got robbed.It's not just "some" people. Go to HBO Boxing and see the big percentage of people who voted that JMM was robbed. Did you see the JC Chavez Jr. fight last saturday? Did you see the HBO polls as well as the experts/commentator polls? It's way more than "some" people that think JMM got robbed.
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JMM - One of the greatest of the legendary Mexican fighters, who's been screwed over twice (arguably 3 times) now.
Pac - Cash cow.
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[QUOTE=TheBranMan;1028654][QUOTE=:::PSL:::;1028653]Yo asshole, get the fuck out of my thread with that shit.JMM - One of the greatest of the legendary Mexican fighters, who's been screwed over twice (arguably 3 times) now.
Pac - Cash cow.
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